• Aux@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    That defeats the purpose of a knowledge base. The whole reason why everyone is using SO is that you don’t need an account to access it and it’s fully indexed by Google.

    The real question is why the fuck are people ok with Google indexing SO and not OpenAI? Doesn’t make any fucking sense.

    • irreticent@lemmy.world
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      8 months ago

      The real question is why the fuck are people ok with Google indexing SO and not OpenAI? Doesn’t make any fucking sense.

      Because Google is free and OpenAI isn’t. It’s one thing to take free content, index it, then allow anyone to access that index. It’s another thing when you take free content, index it, then hide that index behind a paywall.

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        8 months ago

        Are you sure? Because Google is not free at all, you’re paying for it through privacy invasion and ads. While ChatGPT is actually free to use for end users - no ads, nothing.

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          8 months ago

          The price difference is that google steals your data. That’s it. OpenAI steals data, ask for money to use most of their models, and buy even more data from other companies stealing user data (like google and SO). Also indexing web pages is not even the “stealing” part of google, it’s just not comparable.

          Yes, training AI on user data for free then selling the end product is a reasonable thing to be concerned about. It’d be different if the product was free or the data was sold to them with user consent.

          SO has announced a subscription-based service trained on user data for free, and not only there’s not even opt-out, they’re mass-banning users for trying to “opt-out” manually. Tell me one thing here that’s not completely fucked up.

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              8 months ago

              It’s “freemium”, not free. There is a difference. You can’t use ChatGPT 4 without paying as well as the API. Also, you are limited in the number of prompts you can make per hour before you are put on pause and asked to pay.

              Search engines like Ecosia, DuckDuckGo, etc. don’t ask you for money. Regardless how intensively you use it. (They might come with other drawbacks though like Google with privacy, environment, ethical principles, …)

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                  8 months ago

                  I’ve never been asked to pay for using one of the aforementioned search engines. I have been asked to pay for OpenAI products.

                  So I don’t see how you come to that conclusion.

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              8 months ago

              What does Google’s cloud service have to do with what we’re discussing (Google indexing content vs. SO OpenAI doing it)? They’re not even similar services.

              Edit: SO -> OpenAI