beating - well that goes without saying when you are kidnapping someone, it’s hard to do that without beating, but if that gets you off - you can find something here https://uadraftmuseum.ch/incidents
Show me where I either denied Ukraine was doing these things, or celebrated them happening, because that sure didn’t happen.
What I specifically said, and what you’ve consistently danced around, is that Russia is doing these things at least as much but more likely more and you seem to not really care about “your people” when Russians do these things to them. Maybe you’re a Ukrainian citizen who supports Russia taking over the country, or supports moving closer to Russias sphere of influence as opposed to the EU. Thats cool, you’re entitled to think that, but you aren’t entitled to pretend that Russia is magically absolved of anything bad they’ve done because WEST BAD.
Show me where I either denied Ukraine was doing these things, or celebrated them happening, because that sure didn’t happen.
but you aren’t entitled to pretend that Russia is magically absolved of anything bad they’ve done because WEST BAD.
Well, let me play an UNO reverse card on you and ask where did I “pretend that Russia is magically absolved of anything bad they’ve done” :)
It’s so fucked up that every time I point out Zelensky’s atrocities and that he (with western support) terrorizes, kidnaps, tortures & murders people - someone accuses me of supporting Russia. First does not imply second.
Every single time you’ve assigned blame for things Russia did on Ukraine was you absolving Russia, hope that helps!
You’re not being accused of supporting Russia because you dislike Zelensky, you’re being accused of supporting Russia because there’s a large overlap between what you think would be good for you personally and what would be good for Russia and you refuse to acknowledge that overlap and dance around it in a way that comes off as arguing in bad faith.
Every single time you’ve assigned blame for things Russia did on Ukraine
Well, name one example pretty please :)
All of the things Zelensky did is because he chose to do it. Every kidnapping, beating, death, torture done by his regime is his (and his supporters) responsibility, noone else’s.
I’m sure you can find the strength within to scroll up, I know you’re just trying to waste my time.
And again, we are back to do you have evidence that Zelensky would’ve done these things if there wasn’t an active invasion of the country because that kind of shifts the context here. War is horrific, and no one gets exempt from those horrors, but you seem very willing to pretend that Russia isn’t doing anything wrong and that these things are only bad when Ukraine does them to Ukrainians and that Russia is just trying to to help by killing shitloads of Ukrainians so they can’t hurt other Ukrainians???
I’m sure you can find the strength within to scroll up
So no examples, ok that’s expected :)
I know you’re just trying to waste my time.
You are either trolling or I fallen victim to talking to an LLM again… “but you seem very willing to pretend that Russia isn’t doing anything wrong” never did that. Anyway, as you’re not willing to back your words with any proofs, I won’t be wasting your time anymore
Shocking that you’ve once again decided to ignore the important part and are focusing on anything but acknowledging that maybe Russia has something to do with the situation.
Ah, so you meant
So here is about kidnappings, there is now a first hand source now actually: https://www.yahoo.com/news/m-ukrainian-conscription-officer-people-070000956.html
beating - well that goes without saying when you are kidnapping someone, it’s hard to do that without beating, but if that gets you off - you can find something here https://uadraftmuseum.ch/incidents
some stories about holding people in the basements: https://goloskarpat.info/society/66f2bfed03425/ https://informator.ua/uk/tck-husta-utrimuye-turistiv-iz-bronyuvannyam-u-zhahliviy-pidzemniy-tyurmi-spovid-chinovnika-z-dnipra
and to make sure to get you off, here is about gasing and trying to set people’s vehicle on fire: https://unn.ua/en/news/they-tried-to-smoke-out-a-man-and-gassed-the-car-a-scandalous-video-of-the-tccs-actions-near-kyiv-has-appeared-online and one about literally tortures: https://news.novyny.live/en/u-genshtabi-vidreaguvali-na-pogrozi-ta-nasilstvo-u-211-i-brigadi-219974.html
Show me where I either denied Ukraine was doing these things, or celebrated them happening, because that sure didn’t happen.
What I specifically said, and what you’ve consistently danced around, is that Russia is doing these things at least as much but more likely more and you seem to not really care about “your people” when Russians do these things to them. Maybe you’re a Ukrainian citizen who supports Russia taking over the country, or supports moving closer to Russias sphere of influence as opposed to the EU. Thats cool, you’re entitled to think that, but you aren’t entitled to pretend that Russia is magically absolved of anything bad they’ve done because WEST BAD.
Well, let me play an UNO reverse card on you and ask where did I “pretend that Russia is magically absolved of anything bad they’ve done” :)
It’s so fucked up that every time I point out Zelensky’s atrocities and that he (with western support) terrorizes, kidnaps, tortures & murders people - someone accuses me of supporting Russia. First does not imply second.
Every single time you’ve assigned blame for things Russia did on Ukraine was you absolving Russia, hope that helps!
You’re not being accused of supporting Russia because you dislike Zelensky, you’re being accused of supporting Russia because there’s a large overlap between what you think would be good for you personally and what would be good for Russia and you refuse to acknowledge that overlap and dance around it in a way that comes off as arguing in bad faith.
Well, name one example pretty please :)
All of the things Zelensky did is because he chose to do it. Every kidnapping, beating, death, torture done by his regime is his (and his supporters) responsibility, noone else’s.
I’m sure you can find the strength within to scroll up, I know you’re just trying to waste my time.
And again, we are back to do you have evidence that Zelensky would’ve done these things if there wasn’t an active invasion of the country because that kind of shifts the context here. War is horrific, and no one gets exempt from those horrors, but you seem very willing to pretend that Russia isn’t doing anything wrong and that these things are only bad when Ukraine does them to Ukrainians and that Russia is just trying to to help by killing shitloads of Ukrainians so they can’t hurt other Ukrainians???
So no examples, ok that’s expected :)
You are either trolling or I fallen victim to talking to an LLM again… “but you seem very willing to pretend that Russia isn’t doing anything wrong” never did that. Anyway, as you’re not willing to back your words with any proofs, I won’t be wasting your time anymore
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Gosh, what is with liberals and their “supporting human rights of Ukrainians means supporting Russia” line of thinking…
So? How does this change the fact that his regime is kidnapping, torturing and murderinb people?
Shocking that you’ve once again decided to ignore the important part and are focusing on anything but acknowledging that maybe Russia has something to do with the situation.