What would they protect for them? Harassment is harassment, and a hate crime is a hate crime. If the motivation was to hurt trans people in general it should be a hate crime just like any other group being singled out out of prejudice
Are you saying the law shouldn’t recognise trans people as a group? They should be just men or women (of their identification) in the eyes of the law?
Lets say a trans person breaks the law and goes to prison. Should a trans man go to a man’s prison (where they will face statistically higher rates of abuse), or should the law provide some nuance in this situation?
“If the motivation was to hurt trans people in general it should be a hate crime just like any other group” were my words. Why was your first question that I thought they weren’t considered a group of people?
Laws should be written for people. Punishments for crimes are dictated separately for the most part. They just put max/min fines and incarceration times.
If you get a DUI it doesn’t say in the law you get up to twelve months in a women’s/men’s jail, it just says jail. The particulars of how the incarceration is dealt with is usually decided elsewhere (hopefully by the judge) while gender identity is stillprotected class in the U.S. Will it be for much longer, I’m not sure, I hope it is though.
I recognize that you consider them a group of people. But I am trying to understand your position. It sounds like you want the law to be blind to trans people/men/women, because any laws pertaining to a singular gender would be discriminatory.
Surely you can’t be speaking for all countries, though, when you say that it’s up to the judge? I would have thought that some countries would handle these things as a matter of law. In that case, wouldn’t it make sense to have a law for transgender people that’s different for men and women and trans people,?
In Australia, for example, it seems that trans women go to men’s prison; resulting in negative outcomes for the inmate. Perhaps a law in Australia would prevent that from happening?
What would they protect for them? Harassment is harassment, and a hate crime is a hate crime. If the motivation was to hurt trans people in general it should be a hate crime just like any other group being singled out out of prejudice
Are you saying the law shouldn’t recognise trans people as a group? They should be just men or women (of their identification) in the eyes of the law?
Lets say a trans person breaks the law and goes to prison. Should a trans man go to a man’s prison (where they will face statistically higher rates of abuse), or should the law provide some nuance in this situation?
“If the motivation was to hurt trans people in general it should be a hate crime just like any other group” were my words. Why was your first question that I thought they weren’t considered a group of people?
Laws should be written for people. Punishments for crimes are dictated separately for the most part. They just put max/min fines and incarceration times.
If you get a DUI it doesn’t say in the law you get up to twelve months in a women’s/men’s jail, it just says jail. The particulars of how the incarceration is dealt with is usually decided elsewhere (hopefully by the judge) while gender identity is stillprotected class in the U.S. Will it be for much longer, I’m not sure, I hope it is though.
I recognize that you consider them a group of people. But I am trying to understand your position. It sounds like you want the law to be blind to trans people/men/women, because any laws pertaining to a singular gender would be discriminatory.
Surely you can’t be speaking for all countries, though, when you say that it’s up to the judge? I would have thought that some countries would handle these things as a matter of law. In that case, wouldn’t it make sense to have a law for transgender people that’s different for men and women and trans people,?
In Australia, for example, it seems that trans women go to men’s prison; resulting in negative outcomes for the inmate. Perhaps a law in Australia would prevent that from happening?