Leaks confirm low takeup for Windows 11::Time to rethink Windows 10 support cycle then?

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    There is nothing about windows 11 that’s better than on windows 10. Why would anyone switch voluntarily?

    Windows 10 at least had better automatic driver installation, touchscreen and multi-monitor support compared to 7, but came with a shitload of ads built right into it. Windows 11 has even more ads, but what does it give you?

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      Apk support. Saves you having to get LDplayer or something. Would be great if you’re developing android aps.

      But yeah the juice isn’t worth the squeeze in this case. I’m not switching till 10 goes eol and even then there’s a strong chance I’ll fully switch to linux instead.

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        That’s not even a selling point to an android dev. Android emulators already run, and give a better simulation of a physical device. The only reason it’d be useful for android dev is if you’re actually developing an APK for Windows itself.

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          Also dev on android code on linux, both use linux so the drivers have performance mostly native, better apk support isn’t selling if the performance is worse

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        You literally need a third party application to install an APK. At that point you might as well get an android emulator instead of using this spyware.

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      I did the upgrade so I could have tabbed explorer windows. It was honestly worth it as my work is much more organized.

      But even then, it’s still a bit glitchy in a way that should be embarrassing for a company of that size.

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        You could just buy the program from the windows store and run it in Windows 10 (it’s called Files). Also linux had tabbed file explorers for decades. Glad to see windows finally catch up.

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          I wish I knew that! I would have stayed with windows 10. Well if I ever need to reformat I’ll switch back.

          I’m a long time linux user, but work requires windows or Mac. I’ve tried forever to use Linux for work but there are 2 key pieces of software that do not have a functional alternative on Linux and they don’t run through wine.

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            I understand your plight. I’m an engineer and I use CAD programs all the time. Very few are available in linux and the ones that are (they are good) are not production level. I’m talking about the FLOSS ones not the close source ones like BricsCAD.

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          I am seeing a “Files App” by “Yair A”, it’s €9 for me. Is that the program you are talking about?

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            Yes that is the program. It should have a link to the github but it should be the same one that Windows 11 uses. I paid for it (I’m so ashamed) and run it in Windows 10 no problem.

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              Interesting. I am going to try the free version and if with the better UI it also has stuff like better archive support than default explorer, I don’t mind too much buying the app to support it honestly. My desktop is usually a huge mess of flying windows.

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          Files has issues too though. It has the ugly buttons instead of text for the context menu, and it doesn’t have any of my context menu apps added to the right click menu for some reason.

          Great app though if you’re not hype reliant on the context menu like me

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      AutoHDR is only available in Windows 11. Granted, HDR uptake on PC monitors has been abysmal, it’s a great feature for the few that might use it.

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        Does it change the screen’s contrast depending on what’s being displayed? Because my work laptop does that. If there’s a white window on screen, contrast is great. But if I minimize that and just have something dark on screen, it slowly reduces the contrast until I can barely read anything.

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          No, that sounds like adaptive brightness, HDR is more like localized brightness overdrive, particularly in gaming and film.

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      I think the VM support is better on Windows 11. I tested gaming on both 10 and 11 on my Linux install and 11 performed better. Otherwise, agreed 11 is a downgrade

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        For linux clients maybe, but definitely not for windows clients. Microsoft practically killed Virtualbox, so we have to use Hyper-V at work now. And unlike virtualbox, it doesn’t let me install my keyboard layout in the VM via MSKLC, which is literally made by microsoft. I had to convert my virtualbox VM where it was installed already and guess what, it works perfectly now.

        I also have to disable the keyboard manager in powertoys, another microsoft product, whenever I use the VM because capslock gets stuck on inside the VM if I don’t. That also happens on VMs without my keyboard layout, so it’s a separate issue.

        The VM also feels much slower and glitchier than the virtualbox one I used on an older computer.

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          I’m actually running Windows 11 on QEMU and passing my GPU through to it. Runs VR games perfectly

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        I haven’t tried VMs via hyper v but WSL and sandbox seems to work a bit better. I don’t know if it’s quantifiablely better but it feels like runs better.

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          Ah. Maybe that’s the case. I meant I’m running Windows 11 on Linux using QEMU for gaming.

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      HDR support is a big one for me and the reason I switched. APK support is nice. I like the glassy look although that could be achieved on 10 via other means. The search function feels much better to use and it’s nice because I like to use the search function instead of keeping things on my desktop

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        MS Indexing is terrible. It’s only saving grace is that it scans inside Outlook. If you want a fast search and instant results try Everything by VoidTools com.

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          Fair, but I feel my point stands. It’s not like spotlight on Mac, but it actually understands what I want now. I use it mostly to launch programs.

          And before someone attacks me: I use all 3 major OSes weekly. Hot takes: Mac doesn’t suck and isn’t incompatible for the majority of tasks, but it does end support for things normal people don’t care about, Linux is not that great when it comes to normal quality of life (not power user stuff, it’s awesome for that), and windows makes things easy to access while somehow making everything behind a million menus and across different menus (but still much easier to change than linux)

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        How much better is the HDR support in Win11? Does it stop your desktop looking washed out when turned on?

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          Yea that has been fixed. And AutoHDR is pretty much a must have if you have a real HDR monitor. (Not that fake hdr400 B’s they put on all monitors nowadays.)

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            Might finally have to give it a look then. I have a good HDR monitor now but it looks so bad with HDR turned on when not in a game.

        • WoodenBleachers@lemmy.basedcount.com
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          For me it does. I have two HDR monitors, neither with exceptional hdr. Both look much better with it on, but I personally like the HDR look that some things have. I can tell when something is washed out, but my RGB has also not been properly calibrated. Regular HDR modes in games suck and make it look like I’m staring at the sun or an old photo. Auto HDR makes fire look brighter