Jesus Christ, I knew this was going to be bad, but holy shit. There’s some real zingers in there.
On the busy rail corridor running through northwest Atlanta, there was a notorious stretch of track known for tripping up engineers. Larry Coston didn’t feel like he could navigate the large number of signal lights safely going the speed limit of 60 mph, so he radioed the dispatcher that he’d be driving at a slower speed, a 6 to 8 mph crawl, in an effort to avoid an accident.
Norfolk Southern fired him for “intentionally” delaying his assignment. The company declined to comment on specific cases. But his boss, and his boss’ boss, testified in his ongoing lawsuit that his judgment didn’t matter; engineers should travel at maximum authorized speeds regardless of their safety concerns. “Run your train,” his direct supervisor, Travis Bailey, a senior road manager of engines, said in a deposition. “Do your job.”
Supervisors have strong incentives to push their workers like this. Court records show that several freight rail companies rate and rank their managers using metrics that reward them for trains staying on schedule and penalize them for disruptions — even when the delays are caused by safety precautions. “Slow order delays,” for example, calculate the amount of time lost from slowing trains because of unsafe track conditions.
That’s just one among the most egregious examples. They track downtime due to safety issues and penalize managers for delays due to things being unsafe rather than just fucking fixing it. I’ve worked for some really shitty employers over the years, and the only ones who ever tried to skirt safety issues due to costs were the places that were being run as vulture capital operations. I’m becoming increasingly convinced that the plan is to eventually declare insolvency because the costs to fix their bullshit is going to be too much, and have the government buy them out and remake CONRAIL. Once the government fixes their infrastructure on the taxpayer dime, they’re going to start lobbying Congress to re-privatize CONRAIL for pennies on the dollar because of “free market efficiency”.
Automated signaling exists and can manage all sections at the maximum safe speed. Trains shouldn’t even have anyone inside to drive normally. The job is obsolete today. (drivers might be useful in yards, or little used branches, but not the main line - in both cases the driver should live near their section and work when there is a train then go home)
Of course automatic signaling is programmed to be safe. Thus if that section cannot be driven faster than 10mph (or whatever speed) there is no override to go faster anyway.
Exists, yes, but is not installed throughout the US rail systems.
But there should still be a human on the trains. Automatic signaling won’t stop a train when there’s a stalled car on a crossing, or someone walking on the tracks.
A human on board won’t stop a train either. They will hit the brakes, but trains don’t stop fast enough to make a difference in those situations.
Feel free to consider other scenarios. That’s just the first that came to mind.
I’m willing to, but so far I’m not ware of any.
I’m not 100% sure about that. Can you give me a little context as to where your knowledge comes from? Railroaders I’ve seen discussing fully automated trains seemed to have some doubts about the viability of the technology.
Many passenger trains around the world run fully automated.
the big issue is without someone on board there is nobody to see someone on the tracks and hit the emergency brake. My counter to that is it doesn’t matter as the train won’t stop until long after whoever was on the track is hit and dead.
They’re not there to hit the brakes, they’re there to report it.
Passenger trains generally don’t go that fast in areas where they’re likely to hit something or derail. Which is not what rail executives want.
Passenger trains have better maintained tracks and so are not likely to derail. They are also less likely to hit things because they are grade separated - fenced, elevated tracks, in tunnels. These are more cost, but they are things society wants (not the same as rail executives) Trams which run on the street are much slower and do have drivers.
They should 100% nationalize it… But I’m not sure that’s their plan. It would be an extremely risky plan on their part to let the government take over the company in hopes that they can maybe possibly convince them to give it back after they fix it up.
You’re not thinking like a modern CEO. This isn’t long term growth capitalism, this is slash and burn capitalism. The only thing that matters is next quarter’s profits (and, increasingly, this window is narrowing to single months or smaller). They’re going to extract as much wealth out as they can for as long as they can until it’s completely impossible to sustain it. If they can’t get the government to hand it back in the future, oh well, but that’s what lobbyists are for.
What profit-driven industry doesn’t do the same?
This is a capitalism “profits first, last and always” problem, not specifically a railroad problem.
Many industries have discovered the costs of not doing safety first are higher in the long run. You have to pay more workers comp insurance, you have to train replacement workers for those who are injured, you have to scrap/replace parts destroyed, and when someone is injured it affects moral and so your people don’t work well.
Railroads are throwing money away by not putting safety first - they just don’t realize it.
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That math doesn’t always work out that way. We see it all of the time when corporations ignore regulations, and then just pay the fines as a cost of doing business.
It’s fucked up that this is the system we’ve chosen for ourselves. That human safety comes down to whether or not the math makes sense for the company’s bottom line.
Then you have libertarians who think that’s just fine, and that the “free market” will “correct itself.” I guess the employees that are maimed or die in the process are just collateral damage. Eventually, the consumer will be aware (somehow?) that the process of making the product they want is dangerous and has killed people, and then they’ll stop buying the product. Right? Right…?
Lol. I was trying to think of something to say about that last paragraph, but I think the ideology speaks for itself.
Not a single industry actually puts safety first. Some take safety more seriously than others, but that’s it.
Everything is prioritized over safety in our capitalistic society
Blood-boiling. Maybe a few of these managers should take a tree to the face and see how concerned with efficiency they are afterwards.
I think workers need to start wearing bodycams.
Office workers (the smart ones) have been doing this for years.
" “please email that?” Exists for us to cover our asses
“as per our conversation on the phone this morning…”
That’s just leaving a paper trail though. Camera would be next level lol
The article mentions one guy recorded his manager (audio), but it doesn’t seem to have made much of a difference and there’s hundreds of cases that went to court. One infuriating thing is that one court case, I think it was the one who recorded that audio, got immediately dismissed by OSHA??
East Palestine, Ohio smoulders in the background
Yet at a railroad crossing the damn train only operates at baby crawling speed.
Good thing Biden broke the railroad strike.
Can we please stop with that? He did do the right thing with the railway workers. The strike would likely have had a massive economic impact across the nation and in many different industries. Avoiding the strike while still getting the workers much of what they wanted was a very good result. Not perfect, but we can’t let perfect be the enemy of good.
The rail union is quite pleased with how things played out according to IBEW’s Railway Department Director Al Russo.
https://www.ibew.org/media-center/Articles/23Daily/2306/230620_IBEWandPaid
“We’re thankful that the Biden administration played the long game on sick days and stuck with us for months after Congress imposed our updated national agreement,” Russo said. “Without making a big show of it, Joe Biden and members of his administration in the Transportation and Labor departments have been working continuously to get guaranteed paid sick days for all railroad workers.
“We know that many of our members weren’t happy with our original agreement,” Russo said, “but through it all, we had faith that our friends in the White House and Congress would keep up the pressure on our railroad employers to get us the sick day benefits we deserve. Until we negotiated these new individual agreements with these carriers, an IBEW member who called out sick was not compensated.”
Can we please stop defending Biden every time he hurts us?
Sick days weren’t literally the only thing they wanted to strike for - there were numerous safety concerns, concerns about overtime, concerns about scheduling, and more:
The Association of American Railroads, which represents freight railway operators, said its members have been hiring in recent years to address staffing needs and recognize employees’ desire for better scheduling. The group said the number of overtime hours worked by BMWE union members increased to 4.7 hours per week in 2022, compared to 4 hours in 2016.
Cory Ludwig, who works as a machine operator repairing railway tracks in Iowa, said he’s been working Saturdays and some Sundays along with 10- to 12-hour shifts since September. Recently, he worked 13 days without a day off. With the mandatory Saturday work, he’s had to rely on friends and relatives to take care of his five-year-old and nine-year-old kids. He said the overtime demands have increased as he’s seen the number of workers assigned to his crew go down.
“You fall asleep and then you wake up in the morning and you go right back to work. It can really break a person down, it gets really wearing on a person after a while,” Ludwig said. “With less people trying to do the same amount of work, working long hours, working multiple weeks in a row without one day off, you get irritated and you get burnt out.”
Recently one of the union’s members had been working 22 hours straight when he fell asleep on the job, an error that could have put his colleagues’ lives at risk but also could have been avoided had the employee had a rest period, said Ballew. Another member was recently disciplined for refusing to work through his scheduled days off on short notice so he could care for a family member having health issues, Ballew said.
“The stress it puts on marriages and parenting and the things you leave behind for your spouse to deal with or the things you miss, that kind of stress builds up,” said Ballew. “In the rail industry, we have noticed recently a spat of suicides and I can’t help but think there is a correlation there.”
Lives are still being ruined.
Stop your strike breaker apologetics.
But but but the economy! That’s so much more important than health and safety! We have to save it! /s
Can we please stop defending Biden every time he hurts us?
I honestly pray Biden voters never have human relationships that resemble their parasocial-electoral ones with Biden, it’s terrifyingly similar to abusive relationships.
You’re confusing the minority of fanatics with a majority of reluctant supporters. There aren’t 80 million rabid fanatics foaming at the mouth to support Biden.
And honestly, what fanatics? How minor is this minority, because I can tell you with certainty that I’ve never, in my life, met someone who has anything beyond “mild enthusiasm” for Biden. And even that is rare.
Reluctantly choosing to stay with someone you know is hurting you because you feel like you have no choice isn’t exactly a healthy relationship either. If you’re in other ones like that please run.
Better than Trump any day twice on Sunday…
The two viable choices in 2020 were Biden or Trump. The two viable choices in 2024 are going to be Biden or Trump.
Are you suggesting we vote for Trump over Biden?
Voting isn’t the only option.
“Get in line or get out of my country” essentially? The more abusive relationship would be to let Trump (or one of his compatriots) in out of principle because you refuse to vote for the lesser evil. We don’t have the luxury of just choosing who is best and getting a great deal out of the situation. We’re stuck between a bog of eternal stench and a rampaging horde of zombies. Neither is great, but I’ll take the stench over the zombies if it means I get to live a little longer, and maybe make my situation better in the long run.
I know some people would prefer to just stand their ground and face the zombies so they don’t actually have to make tough decisions. But that’s not me.
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If you keep voting for evil candidates you will keep gettig evil choices. If all they have to do for your vote is be slightly less evil than the other one, that’s all you’ll ever get. I find that unacceptable, so I use that to inform my actions.
Sure, and in the US electoral system, the only real choice is the Republican. In dating, there are millions of other choices, or just being single. It’s not analogous.
Wrong. There’s another choice. You just won’t find it in the ballot box.
It’s like you’re incapable of not projecting.
Like what dude? I’ve never met a single person, in real life or on the internet, that has any kind of “relationship” with Joe Biden that I would consider anything close to “parasocial.” Never. You’re talking nonsense.
Now Donald Trump on the other hand…
Very curious as to your definition of projection, are you trying to say I have a parasocial relationship with Biden?
I still don’t get why the president can’t tell the corporation to take the union contract if he can order the workers back to work. Seems like two sides of the same thing.
What I don’t get is why he has any power at all. This isn’t war time, tell the two sides to work it out without violence. The truck industry will be happy to take more business from them.
Railroad companies are a little special. The US government has nationalized the railways before, specifically in both world wars, so the government has been involved in their operation as critical infrastructure for over a century. And they still exert some of that influence in peacetime, in case war were declared.
Isn’t that one small segment of one small section of workers, not all rail workers? Weren’t their demands only a tiny fraction of what the overall strikers wanted?
Isn’t “but the economy” just another tired excuse to not implement any lasting change because it might affect votes, not the wellbeing of the American people?
Change is hard, and especially when you put it off for so long, it can hurt. But in the long run you come out better for it. Putting it off means it’s just going to hurt worse later, if we even get a chance to do it. Workers are still over-worked and understaffed. Biden swooping in to “save the day” by telling them “Yeah, sure, we’ll help you when it’s convenient for us” didn’t change that. No matter what an electricians union rep might have to say about it.
Can we please stop posting an electrical unions opinion? They always had sick days, they supported Bidens no sick day deal before the planned strike.
Rail unions still dont all have sick days, the ones that do have fewer than they would have, and their future bargaining power is poisoned.
Plenty of electrical unions don’t have sick days or paid vacation.
Sounds like shitty unions then if they can’t negotiate sick days or vacation days. That’s boilerplate stuff.
