Scientists develop mega-thin solar cells that could be shockingly easy to produce: ‘As rapid as printing a newspaper’::These cells could be laminated onto various kinds of surfaces, such as the sails of a boat to provide power while at sea.

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    11 months ago

    There are physical limits at play to how much power this can provide. No amount of technological improvement can break them.

    Imagine the driver plugging in the truck during the 8 hours while they’re asleep. That’s an achievable goal.

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      11 months ago

      Here’s a video of a camper van with traditional solar panels on the roof using a slide-out awning technique.

      https://youtu.be/Ev5C9gf0zFc?si=97piy-3mV9TIsRlu

      You might say that’s impractical for regular use. Sure, it is, but your previous argument was that is was impossible due to physics, which the video clearly shows isn’t physically impossible, so we’re already much closer to a reality. I’m not saying it could drive forever without stopping or be the only power source. That’s silly. But if it reduces the need to charge from a grid by X% it can be a useful technology. Go on now and tell me how it could never ever work.

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        A camper van. Which has electrical use for things besides turning a motor. Yeah, that’s useful, but it doesn’t exactly help your case.

        Under optimal conditions, the sun gives us 1000Wh per square meter. Let’s say you have a 100% efficient solar panel. A semi truck trailer has a max of 42 sq meters on top of its trailer. So you get 42kWh out of this.

        It takes about 280kWh to keep a semi truck at cruising speed on the highway. Thus, in this most optimal scenario, it would give you an additional 15%. Even this assumes there is no additional aerodynamic drag from the panels, mounting hardware, or wiring. It wouldn’t take much to completely blow that 15% away.

        If it’s a cloudy day, all of it is now deadweight, and now hurts more than it helps. If you don’t drive on the equator, its output drops and it now hurts more than it helps. If you have solar panels that actually exist that do around 20% efficiency instead of 100%, it now hurts more than it helps.

        I guess we could move the Earth closer to the sun. Won’t help our global warming problems, though.

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              You first said is was physically impossible. I’ve shown you it wasn’t and predicted you’d move the goal post from possibility to practicality. And you did. Thanks for proving that you don’t really care about whether it could even possibly work, but just that you wanna dunk on excitement and be right on the Internet. Have a good day.

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                  11 months ago

                  “There are physical limits at play to how much power this can provide. No amount of technological improvement can break them.”

                  Also, the fact it powers the motor for the camper AND all the appliances and such just proves the viability that much more, as the extra power draw is still supported by the camper’s solar power system.

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                    Yes, there are physical limits. It cannot provide enough power to justify having it only for the purposes of turning a motor. A camper van can justify it because it has lots of uses for electricity besides turning a motor, and as long as you’re paying the cost anyway, might as well connect it to the battery charging circuit.

                    You started this conversation with:

                    Or imagine shipping containers covered in these powering the trucks that haul them! Or trains! Even boats. Basically any kind of self powered transit, especially ones with greater surface area.

                    All things that primarily turn a motor. None of these are feasible to be powered this way.