JowlesMcGee

Expect to see memes about it too in other communities. This’ll be the front page of most fediverse instances in some fashion for the rest of the day I imagine

They were being sarcastic, by the way.

I’m curious, where’s “over here” for you? I’m not super involved in politics here in the US, but I don’t think surrogacy is really talked about much here? There’s the people who vehemently oppose it (from my experience that’s mostly the religious right), but almost any interaction I’ve had discussing it just lists it as an option people can consider.

I should mention that I’m Bi and don’t have a kid, so I mostly hear about it from the context of same sex couples.

It’s true, we give trials and similar protections to citizens of other nations, but if someone weren’t part of a nation at all, why bother? There wouldn’t be a larger body of organization that would be interested in protecting them.

And we have suspended that right to non-citizens before. That was a major issue with Gitmo (in addition to the cruel and unusual punishment)

The thing that annoys me about “Sovereign Citizens” representing themselves in court/thinking that they somehow aren’t beholden to US law because of some stupid declaration on their part is that the law and the court are there for their sake. Having a trial, being presumed innocent until proven guilty, and entire idea of due process is afforded to citizens of the United States. If “Sovereign Citizens” truly weren’t US citizens, there wouldn’t be a need to go through all of this. The government could just seize them and do whatever they wanted with them. They wouldn’t have any government to go to bat for them.

It’s all just so stupidly short sighed