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When I was studying CS I had a few courses on UX/UI design and the most interesting fact I learned there when looking for papers is: ~half the high profile researchers in the UX/UI field are on Microsoft payroll, and everything Microsoft does is highly inconsistent to contrary to all the insights of their own researchers. I think they buy as many of those people off the market as they can, just so they don’t work for somebody else, while shitting on their work, so their UX/UI just doesn’t look as bad in comparison to others.

It’s also ludicrously expensive, so as far as I’m concerned, it doesn’t exist.

QT, writing C++, or both? Paying for a good technology can be cheaper in the long run if you save development time. And sure, developing in C++ is more expensive than JavaScript, because you can’t let cheap web code monkeys do it.

Madness

Indeed. But, very common madness.

Maybe it would if one existed.

I think I made it quite clear, that I set the scope for the desktop. There are several. At least QT even includes mobile.

I don’t disagree, but I also don’t see any viable alternative.

It’s nice to “agree to agree” sometimes ;-)

At least C has a working equals operator. Go on, tell me about ===, invite the ridicule. I bet I know more about JavaScript than you do. I hate it because I am intimately familiar with it.

console.log(null==0)
console.log(null>0)
console.log(null>=0)

console.log(0==[])
console.log(0=='0')
console.log('0'==[])

// no equality comparison, but that shit is funny
console.log("2"+"2"-"2")

Any proper programming language wouldn’t even compile any of that nonsense.

And something being widespread doesn’t mean it’s either right or good - look at religions.

You forgot to read the very small fineprint after the rant hyperbole: *) true for desktop applications. You could go with C++ and QT. Though, writing C++ code is never easy/fun (still better than JavaScript, though). Any argument about natively compiled multi platform GUI applications regarding mobile is moot either way for multiple reasons. The angle I’m going to push here is: Everybody and his mother tries to push their custom iOS and Android apps, relegating web sites to the desktop. Any multi platform GUI toolkit with a cross-compilable language will give you twice the functionality in half the development time over HTML+CSS+JavaScript. And don’t get me wrong: I’m not really suggesting that websites have no place. And there are good reasons to want websites. I’m trying to paint a picture what a horrible absolute clusterfuck the web GUI technology stack is.

I’ve seen people, lead and principal engineers, who refuse to learn modern JS, insisting that since it was bad in 2006 its bad today.

It’s still bad, though. That’s not the reason why, but it still is. All the frameworks and things like TypeScript try to work around and hide the uglyness and stupidity of JavaScript, but they neither remove nor fix it. The way HTML was initially designed is the exact opposite of how it is used. It was intended to present data in a standardized way and leave the rendering and styling to the client application. People tried to create pixel-perfect designs with it. The entire resulting technology stack was created by idiots for idiots. And JavaScript is consistent in the misguidedness of the endeavor. All the marketing talk about platform independence is bullshit. It is easier to write platform independent GUI applications in C than in HTML + CSS + JavaScript. All the frameworks and languages transpiling to JavaScript trying to belie that just lead to a breeding ground of incompetent GUI developers doing esotheric coding (“doing it the way it is done” while understanding zilch about the fundament). The resulting developers are useless outside of their steaming pile of web GUI shit. The least worse of them are the ones promoting and perpetuating this failed technology stack by adding further layers of abstraction to try and hide that it is build on and from shit, creating even more esoteric developers in the process - by idiots, for idiots. Web GUI developers are paid less than any other branch of developers and it is completely justified.