But transgender isn’t an outcome, you’re still not understanding. Transgender people are not fundamentally different from any other group of people. We just are transgender. Some of us don’t even have dysphoria or seek out medical transition. The cause is entirely relativistic and unique to each transgender person.
Transgender isn’t a property of a person it is a description of their relationship with the gender society assigned them.
The cause is entirely relativistic and unique to each transgender person.
Cool. Thank you for confirming that there is a cause. As you might have noted I already said the cause can be complicated. See an object on the floor. There might have been a million ways it could have gotten there, there still was a single way it got there for a given object. A --> B.
Transgender isn’t a property of a person it is a description of their relationship with the gender society assigned them.
Doesn’t change what I said even slightly. Something only has a particular length due to it’s relationship with the standard unit of length. Got a 3 meters long thing? It is related by multiplication and “3” with the meter. Philosophy got this totally ass backwards when it tried to view relationships as distinct from properties. As if there could somehow be movement without matter. And breaks emergence.
Besides which even if being LGBT was completely relational instead of intrinsic it wouldn’t mean much. The parent child relationship is relational and it could be studied just fine.
Trans people are not a phenomenon examinable in the same way as the laws of physics or observations about the natural world.
Gender is socially constructed. It’s a thing humans came up with. That doesn’t mean that it’s not real, but it does mean that how we examine it is entirely independent of biology. I don’t know why I am transgender. It’s perfectly possible as a child I just decided I wanted to be a girl and here we are. Does it matter whatsoever? Does it change literally anything? What if it’s not true, what if I just decided one day as an adult? Just woke up and thought hey I’d like to transition because that sounds fun and I want to. Am I still transgender? What about agender people, or people who withdraw from gender entirely and refuse to participate in it? Are they the way they are for a reason?
Why do you like the color blue? Why do you hate the taste of certain foods and love others? Why is your favorite book your favorite book? Is there a scientific reason for those things? Can we scientifically examine why your favorite book is your favorite book and then create a theory that whatever we came up with causes people to have that book as a favorite book? Gender is an abstract concept not routed in anything biological. It appropriates biology to justify its own existence. But it is not biology.
Being LGBT has no cause. We come up with our own personal explanations for it. I personally do not and never will. I dont give a shit and am aware that any explanation I come up with is ridiculous and unfounded because being trans isn’t anything specific. This view that transness is some kind of intrinsic property is not true and is not founded in any observable evidence.
You may want to look into trans people some time. Read some shit on google. You don’t seem to really get it, and I’m adverse to having someone repeatedly tell me I’m wrong about something I have personal experience with.
Your entire comment is special pleading. You, like the free willists and theists and spirituality types, want a supernatural explanation for something while conceding that everything else doesn’t need one. You plead for a special exception.
Sorry, doesn’t work that way. All we are is matter and energy. No God, no Spirit, no ghosts, no kabbalah, no astrology, no supernatural, no Jesus loves the little children. Just the universe as it presents itself to be.
Don’t waste time on anyone who tells you not to think, not to research, not to learn, and to accept them on faith. Which is exactly what you are doing right now.
Idk why the fuck youre talking about religion. Never mentioned anything supernatural whatsoever. It’s amazing to me how you are so blown away by the concept of gender, that you think we must be describing something supernatural. I am not religious, never thought that would have to be said in this conversation lmao.
Whats your fav book? Scientifically explain to me why that book has the property “afraid_of_zombies” favorite book. Gender has a much larger impact on our lives than that property, but it is still an abstract property detached from biology in any way.
You used the same arguments as the religious. They demand that science can’t study their stuff and you do the same, they claim irreducible complexity and you do the same, they use the argument from ignorance and so do you.
Nice that you haven’t actually responded in any material way to anything I’ve said, and have instead resorted to stomping your feet and having a tantrum claiming that I’m making supernatural arguments without even bothering to explain how I’m doing that.
You need to research these things before getting yourself into pointless arguments with people who are more informed than you about them. I transitioned nearly a decade ago. I have been a part of trans discourse essentially from the very beginning. I am also a student in psychology. Human cognition does not work the way you seem to think it does.
But transgender isn’t an outcome, you’re still not understanding. Transgender people are not fundamentally different from any other group of people. We just are transgender. Some of us don’t even have dysphoria or seek out medical transition. The cause is entirely relativistic and unique to each transgender person.
Transgender isn’t a property of a person it is a description of their relationship with the gender society assigned them.
Cool. Thank you for confirming that there is a cause. As you might have noted I already said the cause can be complicated. See an object on the floor. There might have been a million ways it could have gotten there, there still was a single way it got there for a given object. A --> B.
Doesn’t change what I said even slightly. Something only has a particular length due to it’s relationship with the standard unit of length. Got a 3 meters long thing? It is related by multiplication and “3” with the meter. Philosophy got this totally ass backwards when it tried to view relationships as distinct from properties. As if there could somehow be movement without matter. And breaks emergence.
Besides which even if being LGBT was completely relational instead of intrinsic it wouldn’t mean much. The parent child relationship is relational and it could be studied just fine.
Trans people are not a phenomenon examinable in the same way as the laws of physics or observations about the natural world.
Gender is socially constructed. It’s a thing humans came up with. That doesn’t mean that it’s not real, but it does mean that how we examine it is entirely independent of biology. I don’t know why I am transgender. It’s perfectly possible as a child I just decided I wanted to be a girl and here we are. Does it matter whatsoever? Does it change literally anything? What if it’s not true, what if I just decided one day as an adult? Just woke up and thought hey I’d like to transition because that sounds fun and I want to. Am I still transgender? What about agender people, or people who withdraw from gender entirely and refuse to participate in it? Are they the way they are for a reason?
Why do you like the color blue? Why do you hate the taste of certain foods and love others? Why is your favorite book your favorite book? Is there a scientific reason for those things? Can we scientifically examine why your favorite book is your favorite book and then create a theory that whatever we came up with causes people to have that book as a favorite book? Gender is an abstract concept not routed in anything biological. It appropriates biology to justify its own existence. But it is not biology.
Being LGBT has no cause. We come up with our own personal explanations for it. I personally do not and never will. I dont give a shit and am aware that any explanation I come up with is ridiculous and unfounded because being trans isn’t anything specific. This view that transness is some kind of intrinsic property is not true and is not founded in any observable evidence.
You may want to look into trans people some time. Read some shit on google. You don’t seem to really get it, and I’m adverse to having someone repeatedly tell me I’m wrong about something I have personal experience with.
Your entire comment is special pleading. You, like the free willists and theists and spirituality types, want a supernatural explanation for something while conceding that everything else doesn’t need one. You plead for a special exception.
Sorry, doesn’t work that way. All we are is matter and energy. No God, no Spirit, no ghosts, no kabbalah, no astrology, no supernatural, no Jesus loves the little children. Just the universe as it presents itself to be.
Don’t waste time on anyone who tells you not to think, not to research, not to learn, and to accept them on faith. Which is exactly what you are doing right now.
Idk why the fuck youre talking about religion. Never mentioned anything supernatural whatsoever. It’s amazing to me how you are so blown away by the concept of gender, that you think we must be describing something supernatural. I am not religious, never thought that would have to be said in this conversation lmao.
Whats your fav book? Scientifically explain to me why that book has the property “afraid_of_zombies” favorite book. Gender has a much larger impact on our lives than that property, but it is still an abstract property detached from biology in any way.
You used the same arguments as the religious. They demand that science can’t study their stuff and you do the same, they claim irreducible complexity and you do the same, they use the argument from ignorance and so do you.
You are a theist without a bible
Nice that you haven’t actually responded in any material way to anything I’ve said, and have instead resorted to stomping your feet and having a tantrum claiming that I’m making supernatural arguments without even bothering to explain how I’m doing that.
You need to research these things before getting yourself into pointless arguments with people who are more informed than you about them. I transitioned nearly a decade ago. I have been a part of trans discourse essentially from the very beginning. I am also a student in psychology. Human cognition does not work the way you seem to think it does.