The Supreme Court has rejected an emergency appeal from Nevada’s Green Party seeking to include presidential candidate Jill Stein on the ballot in the battleground state.
The court’s order Friday, without any noted dissents, allows ballot preparation and printing to proceed in Nevada without Stein and other Green Party candidates included.
The outcome is a victory for Democrats who had challenged the Greens’ inclusion on the ballot in a state with a history of extremely close statewide races. In 2020, President Joe Biden outpaced former President Donald Trump by fewer than 35,000 votes in the state.
Same time next Presidential election, Jill?
I mean she could use the time between to build local support for the Green Party in lots of places. I guess that isn’t what she’s after.
And God forbid they spend any money on local elections where they can affect things like I don’t know actual green party issues.
Sure usually hangs out in Russia between elections, right?
The Winter Candidate.
That looks like a weapon.
Is it a record player needle?
It’s a campaign button. For perennial candidate Howard Stassen. He would still be running today if he hadn’t died in 2001.
More’s the pity, she can’t run for president of Russia either.
while normally I’d be upset if they were running somebody with some kind of real intent to push real issues, its clear Stein is mostly isnt interested in pushing anything but conspiracy theories and russian appeasement.
But if we don’t vote 3rd party then democrats will never do the exact things I want, or some shit
I’ll be voting solid blue regardless, but the “exact things I want” in regards to Democrats is not helping a genocide, because I thought that was a bar even they could pass.
I’m not surprised they failed even that, but it does radicalize me further and solidify my position that all liberals that call themselves leftists out of rampant ignorance can fuck off forever.
And that will definitely change by voting 3rd party Ina presidential election!!
Yes, that latter point does describe how well you have summarized other people’s arguments. Good luck to you on that one.
Considering there is not a good argument for voting for a third party presidential candidate in this election vs. not voting at all, I don’t think the summary matters.
What “conspiracy theories”? Do you think that the genocide in Gaza is a conspiracy theory?
people forget about her vaccine skepticism, which is sad in a post covid world. There’s a reason she didnt run in 2020
Anti-democratic propoganda.
Stein is pro-vaccine, as she has stated in numerous interviews. If she had won in 2016, we would’ve had a medical doctor in the White House during a pandemic, and hundreds of thousands of lives could’ve been saved.
she’s pro vaccine, with an asterisk.
Oh dear, that’s going to make her path to an electoral college victory harder, isn’t it.
She has 49 other states she can fail to win in…
but still siphon enough votes to hand trump the whitehouse
I feel like she isn’t on the ballot in a large number of states. I feel like basic research would reveal this fact. I feel like she isn’t going to siphon many votes away from Harris. I know for sure that people want to be able to blame her if Harris loses.
She doesnt need to pull that many votes from the Dems, the race is on a knife edge pretty much everywhere.
She’s also on the ballot in 39 states, which includes all of the battle ground states except nevada
270 to win!
Not realistically, no. It’s just about the same amount of difficulty.
Why can’t these candidates file proper forms? What the hell is so difficult about that?
There are a miniscule number of presidential candidates running in a given year, so I assume that the UX on the process isn’t very optimized.
but she’s done this like 3 times already.
running for president is literally all she does. she should be able to speedrun this by now.
@DrunkEngineer explained it.
They were given the wrong forms by the secretary of state. Its obvious sabotage.
Ha ha. After being shown the forms your face saving argument changes. Now they were the wrong forms.
I never said they werent and still no one has been able to show them to me
Except for the links you were given a while ago! 😂
You aren’t the arbiter of truth on the matter. You don’t need to see the forms. Stein is out and you can piss and moan about it all you like.
I guess not needing to see evidence is how yall get so ignorant
Because everything is always “their” fault right? Secretary of state is corrupt, judge is corrupt… Can’t just be that someone that crawls out from under her rock once every 4 years has not used the last 4 years to setup a competent organisation.
Theres a lot of ignorance here. She doesnt show up once every four years, you assume that because you only hear about her once every four years. She’s not as active, understandably, on non-election years, but is still doing political work and promoting her party and giving talks.
Yes, the secretary of state gave them the wrong forms and guidance, and the courts are banning a political party from an election on a technicality against the spirit of the law.
The petition forms were faulty. Be nice if we were told what was wrong with them
Nevada uses two forms for gathering signatures, one for candidates and another for ballot initiatives. The Secretary of State gave the Green Party the wrong form. The forms are basically identical.
It is not the first time Democrats has used dubious methods to deprive Green Party ballot access.
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And that is followed by
Across the country, a network of Republican political operatives, lawyers and their allies is trying to shape November’s election in ways that favor Trump. Their goal is to prop up third-party candidates, including Stein and Cornel West who offer liberal voters an alternative that could siphon away support from Vice President Kamala Harris, the Democratic nominee.
Not Democratic party malfeasance.
It is - the wrong forms were disbursed and then rejected while all the actual requirements were fulfilled.
This is clearly anti-democratic and unlikely to have any actual effect on the election outside making Democrats look bad.
This is clearly anti-democratic and unlikely to have any actual effect on the election outside making Democrats look bad.
No. If it reflects negatively on anyone it would be the Nevada and US courts, the Nevada official who handed out the paperwork, and of course the Stein operation for not catching it. The last two have the capacity to catch this. Not the Democratic party.
And no one in the Green Party looked at the forms to make sure they had the right ones? How many people handled those forms without noticing they were wrong? Are they too used to Cyrillic that it’s hard to read English forms?
They did make sure, by seeking guidance from the person that runs the election.
Having read the forms necessary to get a candidate or initiative on the ballot, I can tell you they are not hard to tell apart if you actually read them. A campaign that is serious about their stated goals would do the basic work of reading the form.
I havent been able to find them forms yet, do you have links to Nevada’s?
Democrats has used dubious methods
you misspelled ‘Green Party incompetence and/or procrastination’
The outcome is a victory for Democrats who had challenged the Greens’ inclusion on the ballot
Seems as fishy as Stein’s intentions.
The outcome would either be a victory for the Democrats or a victory for the Republicans. So what part is fishy?
On top of that, Nevada’s governor is a Republican.
Nah, keeping Stein on the ballot (for this reason) would be a win for our democracy. If there’s a credible case to formally accuse her of being a Russian asset and bar her from participation on those grounds I’m happy to see it go through. This is just arbitrary and authoritarian. I’m not okay with embracing authoritarianism to overcome fascism - there are better tools to beat Trump.
If there’s a credible case to formally accuse her of being a Russian asset
Yea, I’m familiar with the photo - that’s why I mentioned a case to formally bar her above. That photo could lead to an absolutely valid prohibition on participating in elections - so let’s go that route instead of bureaucratic bullshit.
Someone who’s campaign doesn’t bother to read the forms they’re submitting to be included on the ballot should not be considered a serious candidate. Russian stooge or not Stein is incompetent and uncommitted to her espoused ideals.
They didn’t file the correct paperwork. They are not a victim here. They are ducking adults representing a ducking national party. You check the forms and make sure they are correct before you file them.
This is not hard. Every adult does it multiple times every year for all sorts of reasons. It’s a basic citizenship skill.
The fact that you can mess this up AND REFUSE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT like a ducking toddler makes it very clear they are not a serious political party.
You’re an adult you can fucking swear.
They were given the wrong forms when they requested the correct ones - the two forms are nearly indistinguishable and neither the issuer nor collector noticed the mistake at the time.
This was a really minor bureaucratic screw up and denying the green party a place on the ballot because of the mistake is just a bad look.
Good thing we don’t expect a president and their staff to be able to pay attention to detail.
Given the news currently brewing in Georgia we can expect some similar bureaucratic bullshit to be used against the Harris campaign - it’ll be bullshit just like this is bullshit.
You know these people have lawyers, right? It’s literally a lawyer’s job to go over these documents with a fine-toothed comb specifically due to these sort of things.
Most voters don’t have an attorney checking their mail-in ballot.
I don’t think running for elected office should require a team of high paid lawyers - president in our current system is unrealistic for any person off the street but part of the reason we have AOC today is because the election registration process is accessible to people who have limited resources but a lot of enthusiasm.
Forms like this shouldn’t require the fine toothed comb.
Yes. The GP said all of that. The thing is, none of it matters. It’s the responsibility of the submitter to submit the correct forms. It’s bureaucracy 101.
Also, of course the forms are similar. They are from the same agency for a similar purpose. But details matter in this business.
Every legal form has a form number. Anyone practicing law should know what number they require and verify if it’s incorrect. Her legal team shit the bed
I’m glad she’s not on the ballot. But I don’t like these bad faith technicalities. Although I do put 90% of the blame on the enforcers.
We just had a ballot initiative in Arkansas fall off because they were told the wrong thing by officials. And even then, they did all the things they were supposed to do (similar to this situation).
So the party that wants to have the responsibility of running the most powerful nation in the world didn’t double check the title of the paperwork they submitted?
This isn’t a normal person getting the wrong tax form in the mail and not noticing it. This is an entire party with nationwide offices and tons of people supporting it failing to recognize they were filling out the wrong form.
The more important question is, “when did they submit the paperwork and when were they notified that the paperwork was incorrect?” If the gap is really small, then they should have filed sooner. If the gap was really long, then maybe there was some fuckery going on.
EDIT - That said, I still hate when minor technicalities thwart important things.
Yeah, except that they did double check. That’s fairly clear if you go back and read what happened when. You can argue that they should have triple checked or checked with different people, if you want to.
The Secretary of State gave the Green Party the Green Party the wrong form
LMFAO at trying to blame a secretary of state for a very old and experienced political party using the wrong damn form
If you think Democrats are bad, you should see hostile foreign entities. If you can’t do your bureaucratic due diligence to double check election forms, you are absolutely not qualified to lead an entire country.
Again… I might just go back too being a Dem. I tried 3rd party but, this stuff keeps happing. I like the ideals just no was too do it from a third party way for the time being. Gotta change from with in I guess.
Not from within, from underneath. You effect change at the lower levels. Political change comes from the ground up. That’s why Jill Stein is so frustrating cuz she takes all the money and attention that could be spent somewhere useful and instead spends it on a boondoggle for her own personal gain.
This. The Brits have a first past the post system. Greens now are winning mayorships and parliament seats and making deals with labor not to split the vote in their favor because they have been building local support for decades.
They are a force in their districts, so they get elected to office in their districts. Do that to a few dozen districts and you can meaningfully affect the balance of power in Westminster. Then you start getting into coalitions and supplying ministers.
You can’t just wake up once every four years and hope to be anything but a spoiler candidate.
100%
The two party system is incredibly frustrating. There is also a feeling of helplessness because the path to change is unclear. Neither the Democrats nor the Republicans truly want more competition
The thing about change, if you’re only looking at it from a big picture and not a large time period, it might look static. But there’s lots of changes.
What you have to do is be local with your change. Obama was a community organizer and it’s often talked about as as something that has had such an impact, it’s changed everything.
All politics are local.
Stein will always fail because she’s always attempting to create the changes from top down. The USA will never work like that.
That’s a good way to put it.
It’s not a question of wanting competition or not. Political parties by nature will attempt to get as strong a coalition as they can, until they reach a size large enough that bisecting the party still leaves one half in power and some internal disagreememt triggers the split.
Fringe parties in America, like the Green and Libertarian parties, arent oppressed by some conspiracy between Rs and Ds. Rather, they are left at the fringe because they do not have any power worth pledging to, for the simple fact that in the american single-rep plurality-wins system tbere is no prize for second place.
Voters who like the current office holder work to keep them in power and those who do not work with the opposition to remove the incumbent from power. Anyone not joining one of these sides serves only as a tool for one side against the other, since anything but a vote for the runner up is an effective endorsrment of the eventual winner.
The American system is imperfect and could be a lot better, but fringe parties and vanity campaigns do nothing to actually encourage systemic change.
Greens local, Dems for state and nation. You are just throwing away your vote otherwise.
Not even Greens, they don’t put any serious effort into local elections either. Any other (serious) third party would be better locally.
Spend energy pushing for alternative voting methods like ranked choice, approval, or STAR voting. Those have seen success up to state levels.
I’m in FL, so the alternative voting methods is mostly illegal, and to undo it is unlikely for a little while (20 or 30 years).
Oy. Good old party of freedom…
Although it only bans ranked choice voting so at the very least approval voting would be an option. The STAR method might be iffy.
Regardless, changing local voting methods is much more likely than a 3rd party candidate getting elected to the presidency with no candidates at the local level.
Good on you! Please still get involved in changing the system and supporting third parties, but, for now, that work is most effective in local elections and between the general elections. That, and voting in the D or R primaries to vote out incumbents or to select a party candidate who’s more in line with your priorities.
Third parties only seem interested in the presidency. Instead the should work on local elections instead. Build up to federal seats but that is not their goal. They only want to spoil one party nowadays.
She seemed like a good alternative to Trump and Clinton at the time. But looking back I realize she was just put there by Putin to draw away lesser evil votes from Clinton so Trump could win. Another reason the Democratic Party fucked up by not allowing centrist or leftist candidates like Sanders even when they’d have a way better chance of winning by getting a lot of people to actually vote because they’d have a candidate they like rather than just voting against the other guy.
I really like Saunders, but big-C capitalists hate him because he actually works for the people. And that’s why he’ll never be POTUS or VP.
:/
Right and it’s why well never have a left of center candidate at all unless we get money out of politics. Which is not going to happen in the US. We’re stuck with moderate conservatives like Biden and Harris as the only option south of fascism.
Putin is gonna be so pissed at her
More good news on a Friday.
Sure is. Wonderful to see all the rage from the ass scratchers in these comments
I kind of wish ap would include things like this:
https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/092024zr_h3cj.pdf
In this case it’s almost nothing, but sometimes it’s nice to have for the longer documents. I’d also like a link to the original decision they were appealing.
Good. She can’t help Trump any more than she already has.
lol good.
Womp womp
Jill Stein is unqualified to be president and generally has no idea what she is talking about.
