I voted strategically but I shouldnt have to do it while gritting my teeth. They offered nothing because they thought they had an easy win. If we keep pointing at scapegoats and refuse to lay the blame with the ones actually in charge, we get the same exact choice in 4 years and we will lose again.
Ya, drawing the line was dumb but so is blaming the ones that drew it instead of the driver that’s sending a train straight into a group of children.
they didnt offer nothing but it was ridiculous to parade around with Liz Cheney - possibly the least popular politician in the US. I can only think they were trying to get Trump elected
They offered nothing because they thought they had an easy win.
Remember, nothing was…
A woman’s bodily autonomy.
A Trans person’s right to comfort in their body.
The separation between church and state.
A birthright citizens right to live in their country.
An employee’s right to a safe job.
And so much more… And it’s only been 7 days. Fuck anyone who said the Dems brought nothing to the table. You ignored what they were fighting to keep a hold of in order to parrot some bullshit Russian disinfo false equivalency about a genocide being committed by a different fucking leader in a different fucking country.
You ignored what they were fighting to keep a hold of in order to parrot some bullshit Russian disinfo false equivalency about a genocide being committed by a different fucking leader in a different fucking country.
I would find the lesser evil argument more convincing if the people advocating it didn’t always turn out to be genocide denying conspiracy theorists who will ignore reality to defend unspeakable acts
Seems like you’re not actually capable of pragmatically choosing the lesser evil while still condeming it. Seems like you always end up defending evil.
A woman’s bodily autonomy. A Trans person’s right to comfort in their body. The separation between church and state. A birthright citizens right to live in their country. An employee’s right to a safe job.
Hate to break it to you, but we were losing ground on all of that, even with Biden as POTUS. Hell, a fair chunk of that happened when Biden was POTUS, and Dems had a majority in the house and senate.
And yes, don’t talk to me “But Manchin/Sinema!!!”… Fuck off. Because if they were so bad, why were the dems funding those campaigns? Where was the party leaders, demanding their people get on the line, or else lose committee seats, lose money, etc etc.
And why didn’t the Dems drop the filibuster from the senate rules packages? Simple majority vote for everything.
Its almost like they pretended to want to do things to better the working class conditions, without actually doing anything, in order to provide a constant feed of campaign talking points to run on.
I’m not sure how old you are, but as someone who was alive when “Don’t ask don’t tell” was a progressive policy, I can assure you that while Republicans are constantly tripping up Democrats, 8 years of blue leadership can certainly gain ground. Hopefully you had that opinion because you’re young enough that you just assumed those rights were the status quo that was slowly slipping away, not realizing that they are a huge boulder that we’ve been slowing pushing up hill for the past century.
Sinema and Manchin are certainly to blame for a lack of progress, but we needed them to keep from slipping further, faster. Every spot filled by a republican just makes the rock heavier, the hill steeper, and the ground more treacherous.
I’m not sure how old you are, but as someone who was alive when “Don’t ask don’t tell” was a progressive policy
Yes, I’m familiar with it, but it was only an improvement. One that got passed because of falling recruitment numbers, and changing social landscape (Being gay becoming more acceptable), so the Military Industrial Complex needed to compete withe the rest of the job market.
It was considered “progressive” at the time, because it was better than separating already trained soldiers, and the public saw it as a win.
can assure you that while Republicans are constantly tripping up Democrats,
For as long as I can remember, its generally been Democrats tripping up Democrats… Yes, you read that correctly. Eventually, we get people young enough in office, because the incumbent finally died (Because, with Dems, don’t you fucking DARE challenge an incumbent, ESPECIALLY in local races).
So, less of a fight, and more succumbing to the times, is when we move forward. Just like right now, it’s less about what the GOP fought for, and more the malaise with the global population due to us facing a species extinction, while starving.
Hopefully you had that opinion because you’re young enough that you just assumed those rights were the status quo that was slowly slipping away, not realizing that they are a huge boulder that we’ve been slowing pushing up hill for the past century.
Hey! We have had like 40 years of “blue leadership” in my city, and guess what we have?
Oligarchs run the city, county, and state too! Our Dem mayor loves cops, thinks Trump has some good ideas, and our governor is looking forward to working with Trump… Our governor, also a Dem, who is quite obviously a conservative.
Sinema and Manchin are certainly to blame for a lack of progress, but we needed them to keep from slipping further, faster. Every spot filled by a republican just makes the rock heavier, the hill steeper, and the ground more treacherous.
How about instead of pretending Reich Wingers are progressive, we just pick progressives to run in those seats? You know, ones that actually listen to, and respond to the needs of their voters, instead of acting like voters owe the person their vote, just because of team colors?
Any president put in power in the US was going to provide aid to Israel one way or another. As abhorrent as Israel’s actions are, they are a US ally, and they did suffer major terrorist attack in October, and they are surrounded by other nations that would love to chop them up. Full stop, any aid sent to Israel should have been conditional, but it’s foolish to think that they would not have continued without US support. The situation is not black and white and our best chance of changing Israel’s actions were to elect Kamala, and put Democrats in Congress that are for conditional aid to Israel.
What was Russian disinfo was pushing the narrative that Kamala was a genocide supporter to Democrats, and not pushing the fact that if trump won, he was going to back Israel completely eradicating Palestinians from the Gaza strip.
Exactly! So why throw away your own damn country because of a genocide being done by a different leader in a different country that was going to continue no matter what?
highlighting Kamala for the shitty situation that neither candidate had the power to stop.
She had the power to say “If elected, I will stop selling weapons for genocide in accordance with the Leahy Law.” She chose not to exercise that power. Just like you’ve chosen to make excuses for moral cowardice in the face of genocide.
also I think making a baseless claim that someone participating in a fair discussion on this forum loves voting for a genocide breaks Rule 1,
A whole year of being called a trumper for disliking genocide indicates that no, it does not.
I voted strategically but I shouldnt have to do it while gritting my teeth. They offered nothing because they thought they had an easy win. If we keep pointing at scapegoats and refuse to lay the blame with the ones actually in charge, we get the same exact choice in 4 years and we will lose again.
Ya, drawing the line was dumb but so is blaming the ones that drew it instead of the driver that’s sending a train straight into a group of children.
they didnt offer nothing but it was ridiculous to parade around with Liz Cheney - possibly the least popular politician in the US. I can only think they were trying to get Trump elected
Remember, nothing was…
A woman’s bodily autonomy. A Trans person’s right to comfort in their body. The separation between church and state. A birthright citizens right to live in their country. An employee’s right to a safe job.
And so much more… And it’s only been 7 days. Fuck anyone who said the Dems brought nothing to the table. You ignored what they were fighting to keep a hold of in order to parrot some bullshit Russian disinfo false equivalency about a genocide being committed by a different fucking leader in a different fucking country.
I would find the lesser evil argument more convincing if the people advocating it didn’t always turn out to be genocide denying conspiracy theorists who will ignore reality to defend unspeakable acts
Seems like you’re not actually capable of pragmatically choosing the lesser evil while still condeming it. Seems like you always end up defending evil.
Hate to break it to you, but we were losing ground on all of that, even with Biden as POTUS. Hell, a fair chunk of that happened when Biden was POTUS, and Dems had a majority in the house and senate.
And yes, don’t talk to me “But Manchin/Sinema!!!”… Fuck off. Because if they were so bad, why were the dems funding those campaigns? Where was the party leaders, demanding their people get on the line, or else lose committee seats, lose money, etc etc.
And why didn’t the Dems drop the filibuster from the senate rules packages? Simple majority vote for everything.
Its almost like they pretended to want to do things to better the working class conditions, without actually doing anything, in order to provide a constant feed of campaign talking points to run on.
I’m not sure how old you are, but as someone who was alive when “Don’t ask don’t tell” was a progressive policy, I can assure you that while Republicans are constantly tripping up Democrats, 8 years of blue leadership can certainly gain ground. Hopefully you had that opinion because you’re young enough that you just assumed those rights were the status quo that was slowly slipping away, not realizing that they are a huge boulder that we’ve been slowing pushing up hill for the past century.
Sinema and Manchin are certainly to blame for a lack of progress, but we needed them to keep from slipping further, faster. Every spot filled by a republican just makes the rock heavier, the hill steeper, and the ground more treacherous.
Yes, I’m familiar with it, but it was only an improvement. One that got passed because of falling recruitment numbers, and changing social landscape (Being gay becoming more acceptable), so the Military Industrial Complex needed to compete withe the rest of the job market.
It was considered “progressive” at the time, because it was better than separating already trained soldiers, and the public saw it as a win.
For as long as I can remember, its generally been Democrats tripping up Democrats… Yes, you read that correctly. Eventually, we get people young enough in office, because the incumbent finally died (Because, with Dems, don’t you fucking DARE challenge an incumbent, ESPECIALLY in local races).
So, less of a fight, and more succumbing to the times, is when we move forward. Just like right now, it’s less about what the GOP fought for, and more the malaise with the global population due to us facing a species extinction, while starving.
Hey! We have had like 40 years of “blue leadership” in my city, and guess what we have?
Oligarchs run the city, county, and state too! Our Dem mayor loves cops, thinks Trump has some good ideas, and our governor is looking forward to working with Trump… Our governor, also a Dem, who is quite obviously a conservative.
How about instead of pretending Reich Wingers are progressive, we just pick progressives to run in those seats? You know, ones that actually listen to, and respond to the needs of their voters, instead of acting like voters owe the person their vote, just because of team colors?
Why are you ignoring all the funds and arms sent to this entire different country? Do you think all that military aid is Russian disinfo?
Any president put in power in the US was going to provide aid to Israel one way or another. As abhorrent as Israel’s actions are, they are a US ally, and they did suffer major terrorist attack in October, and they are surrounded by other nations that would love to chop them up. Full stop, any aid sent to Israel should have been conditional, but it’s foolish to think that they would not have continued without US support. The situation is not black and white and our best chance of changing Israel’s actions were to elect Kamala, and put Democrats in Congress that are for conditional aid to Israel.
What was Russian disinfo was pushing the narrative that Kamala was a genocide supporter to Democrats, and not pushing the fact that if trump won, he was going to back Israel completely eradicating Palestinians from the Gaza strip.
Then they could have continued without US support. If anyone in the biden white house or anyone in his wing of the party had wanted to withdraw it.
Exactly! So why throw away your own damn country because of a genocide being done by a different leader in a different country that was going to continue no matter what?
Jesus Christ. I thought you lot were meant to be the lesser evil
You may have loved it, but I resent being manipulated into voting in such a way that made me complicit in every centrist’s favorite activity.
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She had the power to say “If elected, I will stop selling weapons for genocide in accordance with the Leahy Law.” She chose not to exercise that power. Just like you’ve chosen to make excuses for moral cowardice in the face of genocide.
A whole year of being called a trumper for disliking genocide indicates that no, it does not.