• Chariotwheel@kbin.social
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    Many on the local level could not believe the Wagner rebellion could be happening without some degree of agreement with the Kremlin, the security officials said

    The other side of ruling with an iron fist and micromanaging people. If you stop doing that, these people then just think this is all part of what is supposed happen and are unable to act on their own without explicit orders.

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      Word is they were also drunk off their asses, which probably correlates with 0 cultivation of ideological buy-in.

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    1. Washington Post is an american propaganda outlet when it comes to foreign policy articles. You might as well be linking VOA or RT.
    2. That whole mutiny is fishy AF. There were rumours Prigozhin was betrayed by his deputy and informed the Kremlin. The CIA said they knew a week in advance. There was only a minor skirmish between a jet and a convoy on the way to Moscow where 12 soldiers died.

    I don’t understand what happened there or how the guy who tried to overthrow the government is still walking free. I’ve never heard of this in history before. The whole thing smells.

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      It is silly to compare Voice of America (an excellent journalistic institution with a great reputation), to the Washington Post (overall pretty good), to Russia Times (literal state propaganda). These are all very different sources and painting them with the same brush is just factually incorrect.

      Here’s some research for you:

      https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/washington-post/

      https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/rt-news/

      https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/voice-of-america/

      As for your second point, Trump is still walking free and he tried to overthrow the government. These things apparently do happen.

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        your source says the VOA is a US government official news arm, you don’t see how they might have a bias when reporting on Russia?

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          They might, but being state-run is actually no guarantee of bias! Some state-run media is certainly very biased (RT). Others less so (VOA). This might surprise you but you have to do things like “research” and “consider the source,” in addition to determining where its funding comes from.

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            “Actually being state-run is okay when our guys do it”

            Before you whine, let me add that RT is a rag, though every now and then it has a good article and sometimes covering things western outlets refuse to is a good thing (like the recent-ish stuff with Seymour Hersh), but to say that VoA isn’t notoriously propaganda or that BBC articles aren’t mostly rightwing drivel is unhinged neoliberal bullshit.

            (BBC does have some good TV programs, but those are fiction and documentaries, the news is awful)

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              “Actually being state-run is okay if those journalistic institutions can be independently verified to offer high-quality, objective reporting, based on nothing more than an analysis of that reporting – especially with regards to that institution’s stances of its government’s actions.”

              Not sure why this is so hard for you all. Like, actually, in order to determine if a news source is good, we have to – shockingly! – examine the output of that news source. By this metric, the VOA and BBC are pretty good… uh, single Tweets notwithstanding.

      • PorkrollPosadist@lemmy.ml
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        For the love of god, listen to some Citations Needed and stop self-congratilating your media literacy because some fucking dork with a website tells you the New York Times and Washington Post aren’t biased.

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          I think it’s hilarious people are telling me I need some nuance and research, when I’m the one arguing there are differences between these sources and we need to evaluate them individually. And the person I responded to is arguing they’re all the same because, well, Journalism Bad I guess!

          For the love of god read the comments before you reply.

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            And the person I responded to is arguing they’re all the same because, well, Journalism Bad I guess!

            If you only consider corporate media and western state-run and state-sponsored outlets to be purveyors of “Journalism,” then let me emphatically say yes, Journalism Bad.

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        You don’t think critically about mediabiasfactcheck?

        Voice of America was created to promote American propaganda, it’s literally the US propaganda outlet. You’re a shill.

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          I apparently think about it more critically than you do. All journalism is not propaganda; some is good in fact, and we can determine which is good and which is bad. And I at least have sources, whereas you have, uh… brain damage I guess?

          Also that’s a laughable and total misunderstanding of Voice of America’s history, mission, and goals. It has a reputation basically everywhere as being as close to objective and reliable reporting as you can get outside the BBC. I guess you’re just assuming it’s bad based on its name, which is not great on the critical thinking front!

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            and reliable reporting as you can get outside the BBC

            “Russian state owned media bad. British state owned media good.”

            I guess you’re just assuming it’s bad based on its name

            No, we know it’s bad because it’s literally run by the US government.

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          His supporters forced their way into the Capitol Building in order to keep him in office by throwing out the election results.

          If that ain’t an attempted coup, then what is?

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            Can you point out where I said it wasn’t? I’m just saying the severity of what happened in Russia is completely incomparable to what happened in the US. You’re talking about a fully armed military with sophisticated mechanized weapons and armor versus some Facebook rednecks with Trump flags.

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    The so called rebellion was planned. Now all of Wagner is in Bellarus, running drills close to the Polish border.

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      To what end? They were mercenary group operating under Moscow’s auspices and Belarus is friendly and already being used as a staging post. If they wanted them there they’d just tell them to go there. This makes them look weak and drew troops out of Ukraine while they’re actively trying to invade it.