Also with academics for example to prevent the brain drain.
That seems to be an easy one to bypass: Exit the USA by driving (or walking I suppose through a border checkpoint) over the border to Canada or Mexico. There’s no ICE check on roads leaving the USA. There will be border agents from the other country you’re entering you will interact with on the other side, but those aren’t USA Border agents.
In an unusual scene, vehicles in the U.S. that are heading north to Canada through the Peace Arch and Pacific Highway crossings are sometimes being stopped by U.S. border patrol before they leave the country and arrive at Canadian customs. In some cases, it has added hours to crossing times.
One of the reasons my wife and I moved from Florida to Oregon last year was easier faster access to Canada if shit hits the fan.
Mind you. This was a discussion we started in 2023, sold at the start of 2024, and moved to Oregon shortly after. 2 years later and shit most definitely has hit the fan.
CECOT does not engage in rehabilitation. No prisoner has ever been confirmed to have been released from the facility and authorities have stated in media statements that there are no plans to release any prisoners. Additionally, the imprisonment of deportees from the US is a controversial issue on its own.
Why are they removing people from planes leaving the country to detain them.
From just my reading of the various news stories around ICE activity I’ve come to a few conclusions about what the internal policy must be:
Reduce immigrant population in USA by X - Use as close to legal justifications as possible, even the weakest thinnest reasons, but also don’t be afraid to simply make stuff up if you need to deport the person. If you can get them out of the country under false reasons, then their ability to get back in becomes much harder even when US government Judicial rulings allow them back because their deportation or deportation lacking in due process was unConstitutional.
So to accomplish this they seem to be operating in this order:
Immigrants picked up by active criminal investigations unrelated to immigration status.
Raids and actions seeking out immigrants who have committed no crimes, but with unsettled legal immigration status.
Immigrants that travel through Border Checkpoint systems: visa renew, Green Card application, even entrances and exit points on the border. These immigrants are then threatened, coerced, or tricked into “voluntarily” surrendering their legal immigrant status at which time they are deported.
Immigrants who may have committed and been convicted of minor crimes, even if many decades prior, where they have served time or otherwise paid their debt to society (even a small fine). Minor guilty plea deal marijuana possession charge from 10-15 years ago are not uncommon justification for deportation here.
Immigrants that are actively engaging with government systems (as in unrelated to justice system). This can be for social services, family services, educations, or even healthcare.
The more desperate ICE becomes to try to accomplish their primary goal, the longer this list gets on where they go and what they do.
So to answer your question about the case here in the OP, my guess is perhaps #3 or #4. We won’t know until he’s released from custody and is able to tell us.
Nope. They’ll dump him in a shit-hole detention someplace. Let him rot for a few weeks or a couple months, and then either release him to await a trial or deport him to El Salvador, claiming that his tattoos mean he’s in MS-13. Why? It’s not about him. It’s about setting an example. The goal is to make the idea of coming to the USA so scary that people, particularly brown people, are afraid to do it. It’s working too.
They know where they’re going to be. The person checks in and they can snag them. There’s not a 100% guarantee that the person will be on the return flight home.
We’re all pretty aware that this administration loves to make examples out of people, so I think you have your answer there. Gestapo aren’t here to follow the rules.
Funnily enough European countries have immigration laws too.
This was in answer to :
Wouldn’t it be better to just do the European tour and then stay in Europe at this point?
Of course, they were leaving the US to go to Europe.
The band member was subject to a magistrate’s order and could not leave the country, as you would find out if you clicked through to the Austin Chronicle.
The band member was subject to a magistrate’s order and could not leave the country, as you would find out if you clicked through to the Austin Chronicle.
I found no mention of this, in either article. Where did you see this claim? Doesn’t really make sense to plan a tour abroad if it were true.
So no European country detained him? Glad we have that straight.
As to your asinine “overstaying in the country” point for the US, he has a green card and has been a legal US resident for 35 years. Its his country of residence. How can he “overstay?”
And lastly, as an entirely extraneous point, he was literally on a plane, leaving the country. How was that in anyway, shape or form “staying in the country” when he was on a vehicle in the literal process of leaving the country?
I said nothing about the US. You’re going off half-cocked there. The question was why bands in such a situation simply wouldn’t stay in Europe after their tour.
You’re acting like that American cop who heard an acorn falling on his car and just started blasting.
I’m missing something about ohulancutash’s comments. Everybody’s piling on the downvotes, but I’m can’t find the part where he made any sort of ‘asinine “overstaying in the country” point’ in the first place. He didn’t even use the word “overstay,” just “stay.” Moreover, the answer he gave about how it’s not so easy as the band deciding to “just do the European tour and then stay in Europe” because immigration laws are thing is correct.
So what justified the downvotes and your hostile tone?
Sure. His first comment excused this brutal US behavior by saying “Europe has immigration laws too,” implying what the US just did to a 35 yr legal, green card holding US resident was fine and ordinary.
His second comment ignored me asking about how Europe treats immigrants and answered a different question by saying that “they can’t just stay in Europe.”
This has almost nothing to do with what happened to this man. He has been detained in his legal country of residence, his home of 35 years, for no crime. He was detained while literally leaving the country, something that you would expect immigration would want if they didn’t want him here.
At no point did he “stay too long” in the US as that isn’t possible. Even if he somehow could, which he could not, he was still literally leaving.
So this case is nothing like European laws having to do with overstaying a visa. Bringing it up in a “duh guys, it’s just like the laws everywhere else” way is a disingenuous deflection from the fact that no, it is not. That is why they are being downvoted.
I think you (and everyone else) have lost the thread, mate. He was replying directly to the question “why can’t they just stay in Europe.” The answer is “Europe had immigration laws.”
His second comment ignored me asking about how Europe treats immigrants and answered a different question by saying that “they can’t just stay in Europe.”
It answered the question he originally replied to, which seems like a pretty reasonable response that charitably assumed you just didn’t understand him the first time, instead of attacking him (for an offense you ascribed to him “implying” and that he didn’t actually say) as you were actually trying to do.
Because it’s just nazism. They want to imprison and harm non-white people, and they’re using “immigration” as an excuse.
Yeah this is the first time I’ve heard of someone being taken while trying to leave the country. Very Kafkaesque.
Lends credibility to the rumour that trump demands a certain nimber of arrests per day per person
The Nazis would detain Jews trying to leave the country.
Not just Jews. Non-whites, Gypsies, gays, communists… you name it.
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This will start happening on all levels. Also with academics for example to prevent the brain drain.
That seems to be an easy one to bypass: Exit the USA by driving (or walking I suppose through a border checkpoint) over the border to Canada or Mexico. There’s no ICE check on roads leaving the USA. There will be border agents from the other country you’re entering you will interact with on the other side, but those aren’t USA Border agents.
ICE and CBP have been deploying temporary exit checkpoints in Washington State.
I believe you but do you have a link on that? I googled and didn’t find anything.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/us-bc-border-checkpoint-1.7528402
Well fuck me.
One of the reasons my wife and I moved from Florida to Oregon last year was easier faster access to Canada if shit hits the fan.
Mind you. This was a discussion we started in 2023, sold at the start of 2024, and moved to Oregon shortly after. 2 years later and shit most definitely has hit the fan.
Perfect link, thats exactly what I was looking for. Thank you!
I’ll look for it. I saw the article here on Lemmy.
Another user found a great article that had the info I needed. That was in this post.
Hispanic people are being sold to CECOT. It is unequivocal human trafficking and no one is stopping it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_Confinement_Center
From just my reading of the various news stories around ICE activity I’ve come to a few conclusions about what the internal policy must be:
Reduce immigrant population in USA by X - Use as close to legal justifications as possible, even the weakest thinnest reasons, but also don’t be afraid to simply make stuff up if you need to deport the person. If you can get them out of the country under false reasons, then their ability to get back in becomes much harder even when US government Judicial rulings allow them back because their deportation or deportation lacking in due process was unConstitutional.
So to accomplish this they seem to be operating in this order:
The more desperate ICE becomes to try to accomplish their primary goal, the longer this list gets on where they go and what they do.
So to answer your question about the case here in the OP, my guess is perhaps #3 or #4. We won’t know until he’s released from custody and is able to tell us.
Nope. They’ll dump him in a shit-hole detention someplace. Let him rot for a few weeks or a couple months, and then either release him to await a trial or deport him to El Salvador, claiming that his tattoos mean he’s in MS-13. Why? It’s not about him. It’s about setting an example. The goal is to make the idea of coming to the USA so scary that people, particularly brown people, are afraid to do it. It’s working too.
It’s also about disappearing people with multi-syllable surnames.
They know where they’re going to be. The person checks in and they can snag them. There’s not a 100% guarantee that the person will be on the return flight home.
Why didn’t they detain him before he’s on the plane though? Plenty of checks and time.
Either they want the theatrics or some racist left a false tip because he didn’t want to sit next to some foreign looking dude.
I mean, I don’t know. How long is a string?
We’re all pretty aware that this administration loves to make examples out of people, so I think you have your answer there. Gestapo aren’t here to follow the rules.
Funnily enough European countries have immigration laws too.
This was in answer to :
Of course, they were leaving the US to go to Europe.
The band member was subject to a magistrate’s order and could not leave the country, as you would find out if you clicked through to the Austin Chronicle.
I found no mention of this, in either article. Where did you see this claim? Doesn’t really make sense to plan a tour abroad if it were true.
Which European country detained him? How was he treated while being processed by said country?
As in they couldn’t just stay in Europe after their tour.
So no European country detained him? Glad we have that straight.
As to your asinine “overstaying in the country” point for the US, he has a green card and has been a legal US resident for 35 years. Its his country of residence. How can he “overstay?”
And lastly, as an entirely extraneous point, he was literally on a plane, leaving the country. How was that in anyway, shape or form “staying in the country” when he was on a vehicle in the literal process of leaving the country?
I said nothing about the US. You’re going off half-cocked there. The question was why bands in such a situation simply wouldn’t stay in Europe after their tour.
You’re acting like that American cop who heard an acorn falling on his car and just started blasting.
I’m missing something about ohulancutash’s comments. Everybody’s piling on the downvotes, but I’m can’t find the part where he made any sort of ‘asinine “overstaying in the country” point’ in the first place. He didn’t even use the word “overstay,” just “stay.” Moreover, the answer he gave about how it’s not so easy as the band deciding to “just do the European tour and then stay in Europe” because immigration laws are thing is correct.
So what justified the downvotes and your hostile tone?
Sure. His first comment excused this brutal US behavior by saying “Europe has immigration laws too,” implying what the US just did to a 35 yr legal, green card holding US resident was fine and ordinary.
His second comment ignored me asking about how Europe treats immigrants and answered a different question by saying that “they can’t just stay in Europe.”
This has almost nothing to do with what happened to this man. He has been detained in his legal country of residence, his home of 35 years, for no crime. He was detained while literally leaving the country, something that you would expect immigration would want if they didn’t want him here.
At no point did he “stay too long” in the US as that isn’t possible. Even if he somehow could, which he could not, he was still literally leaving.
So this case is nothing like European laws having to do with overstaying a visa. Bringing it up in a “duh guys, it’s just like the laws everywhere else” way is a disingenuous deflection from the fact that no, it is not. That is why they are being downvoted.
I think you (and everyone else) have lost the thread, mate. He was replying directly to the question “why can’t they just stay in Europe.” The answer is “Europe had immigration laws.”
I don’t see anything wrong with this exchange.
It answered the question he originally replied to, which seems like a pretty reasonable response that charitably assumed you just didn’t understand him the first time, instead of attacking him (for an offense you ascribed to him “implying” and that he didn’t actually say) as you were actually trying to do.