• JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    17
    ·
    2 hours ago

    Calling zionism what it is shouldn’t be discouraged with dog whistles masquerading as conduct policies.

    At the same time I’d like to remind folks that not all Jewish people subscribe to Zionism.

    There are a couple Jewish lead organizations that fight for the freedom of Palestine and have been very critical of Israel for many years.

    Jewish Voices for Freedom is one group. I wonder how they’d feel about Twitches new policy. I’m genuinely curious what their opinion would be.

    • Azzu@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      edit-2
      58 minutes ago

      If you had looked at the link of this post, you would have read:

      Twitch specifies this is conditional: you’re allowed to discuss the political movement of that name, but not “attack or demean another individual or group of people on the basis of their background or religious belief.”

      I.e. nothing is masqueraded here as long as they keep to this. This seems to be a reasonable policy. I’ve seen a couple of instances of people being derogatorily called zionists just for supporting the people of current Israel not being pushed away out of their now decades-old homes, which is hard to still call Zionist if they don’t support any further expansion and any offensive military action.

      There’s almost never anything gained to use “Zionist” on someone as if saying “asshole”.

      • JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        38 minutes ago

        I guess my pessimistic lens is a little strong and I generally don’t trust large companies to act in good faith. So maybe I’m over scrutinizing here and being a bit of a curmudgeon.

        I think your perspective is fair, and it’s likely this is akin to a high school faculty dealing with some random word or idea becoming a meme of sorts and causing problems. So they have to write some new rule that sounds ridiculous or weird.

        It sucks there’s so much racism and bigotry driving forces in the world that it’s hard to not be dubious of everything. You always kinda wonder about the actual motivation behind things like this.

    • anarchotoothbrushist@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      6
      ·
      2 hours ago

      At the same time I’d like to remind folks that not all Jewish people subscribe to Zionism.

      Further to this, the majority of zionists are christians.

    • Azzu@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      2
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      57 minutes ago

      From the link of this post that you could have clicked on:

      Twitch specifies this is conditional: you’re allowed to discuss the political movement of that name, but not “attack or demean another individual or group of people on the basis of their background or religious belief.”

  • RiQuY@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    14
    ·
    5 hours ago

    Friendly reminder that selfhosted streaming exists (Owncast) or online alternatives like PeerTube.

  • 1984@lemmy.today
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    26
    ·
    edit-2
    5 hours ago

    It’s great how people are gathering and having discussions under heavily censored platforms owned by billionaries, just amazing.

    • grue@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      4
      ·
      3 hours ago

      And on top of that, pretty much all the platforms, even all the way down to this one, are censored in at least one increasingly-relevant way.

    • wertyuiop@feddit.rocks
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      10
      ·
      4 hours ago

      It’s their goal. They want to conflate jewishness and israel because they need the world to be antisemitic.

      Otherwise people would just leave.

    • eldavi@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      21
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      7 hours ago

      All tech companies eventually enshitify and we would never be able to remember all of them if they all became slurs. Lol

    • just another dev@lemmy.my-box.dev
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      4 hours ago

      I’m still not sure what it means, judging by the comments here it (murderer / terrorist etc) it does seem to be used as a slur. So yeah, using the definition instead would be useful.

        • just another dev@lemmy.my-box.dev
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          edit-2
          3 hours ago

          I just told you I I’m not sure of the definition, so asking me what I think it means is pointless. Though I’m pretty sure it’s not a group you can join like ISIS, right?

        • JackbyDev@programming.dev
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          edit-2
          52 minutes ago

          They’re saying that in the same way terrorist is not always a slur but is used as a slur sometimes, Zionist can be used as a slur. I think it’s a fair take. It’s odd to specifically list Zionist as a contextual slur when you can just say no slurs.

          I don’t know if I fully agree but that’s their argument as I understand it.

          • Delphia@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            3
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            2 hours ago

            If you refer to the Muslim man in the bomb vest as a terrorist its fine, if you refer to all muslim men as terrorists its a slur.

            Refering to Israeli generals and politicians as Zionists is fine, If you refer to all Jewish people as Zionists…

  • InfiniteGlitch@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    22
    arrow-down
    12
    ·
    8 hours ago

    Twitch has become garbage anyway. I’m more on Kick for streams nowadays.

    Anyway wasn’t “Zionist” suppose to be a good term for these murderers? Whether they make it a banable word, screw them. Those who defend Israel, their genocidal actions and claim that the land “belongs to them, the colonizers” are Zionists.

    • dinckel@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      1 hour ago

      Twitch is garbage, so you moved to a platform ran by a gambling company, where rules practically don’t exist, and the majority of the userbase is vehemently sexist and racist? That’s a level of mental gymnastics I genuinely will never understand