Summary
South African President Cyril Ramaphosa rejected claims by Trump and Elon Musk that whites face persecution or genocide in South Africa, calling it a “completely false narrative.”
Musk reignited the controversy by citing a rally where a far-left party chanted “Kill the Boer,” which courts previously ruled as protected speech.
Trump issued an executive order cutting US funding to South Africa and offering Afrikaners refugee status.
Ramaphosa noted that violent crime affects all races equally and condemned misinformation surrounding white farmers’ safety.
This headline was a roller coaster, considering the US has a South African president, as this point…
Musk thinks white wealthy folks facing any sort of consequence for past wrongs they committed is persecution and genocide. Must be hard living in a K-hole.
It’s not even that. Unused land has been taken by the government under eminent domain, and white supremacists have claimed that these actions have “stolen” land from white farmers. In reality, white landowners have been subject to eminent domain seizures at no higher a rate than black landowners.
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Hoping this question is in good faith.
I think that depends on what we mean by “pay.”
My take:
If our lives are better/easier/safer/happier than the lives of those who grew out of wrongs committed by those of our own heritage / lineage, then yes, I believe we should endeavour to make their lives better.
Whether that’s financial reparations, return of property / land, sharing of resources, etc. should be up to communities to work together to decide.
Put another way, if my good fortune rests on the misfortune of others - even in the past - my personal take is that I am compelled to help where I can.
Sometimes that’s a simple as voting for the thing that benefits me less than others or me not at all because it aids those who need it most.
So yeah, we should “pay” but “pay” can mean so many things.
That’s just me.
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Agreed, redistribution is only part of the solution. Those people need training and education as well.
Lets say you live in a white neighbourhood in south africa. You are upper class. Your parents, and you as a child benefitted from a system which extracted the labour of black people and let the white upper class take the profits. Your parents were part of this system. Extracting black labour on the farmlands they owned.
There is a counterpart to you. Poor black people in your generation who grew up poor because their parents labour had its rewards extracted and given to parents like yours.
It does make sense in a system like that that some land previously owned by the white labour extractors should be redistributed to those whose poverty is a direct consequence of their parents oppression. This is broadly a correction of structural inequalities.
So perhaps your parents farmlands would have bits of them redistributed. I think that’s fair. (Perhaps they are technically your farmlands now that your parents have died, I still think that’s fair part of them get redistributed).
What doesn’t make sense is punishing poor white individuals for the way upper class whites oppressed non-whites.
that some land previously owned by the white labour extractors should be redistributed to those whose poverty is a direct consequence of their parents oppression.
Is that really going to fix anything though? As in: It’s <currentyear>, while agriculture is still important having a small farm is going to pay worse than being an engineer or something. Land does not have the socio-economic value it once had.
The most important bit, the key fulcrum to work with, I think, is social mobility in education. Make sure that schools are good enough to ensure that kids from poor parents are no less likely to excel than those of parents who have the means (monetary or intellectual) to coach their kids themselves.
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do you still benefit from those wrongs? if so, yes, you should pay for them
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If I rob a bank and give it to my kids, it is suddenly OK to keep the money?
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You only think that because you’re the kid with the bank bag
For me, the question is easy: What’s your tax bracket?
Man whose generational wealth comes from apartheid has things to say about white people are being treated
This is basically musk going “no youuuu”
Trump and Musk, lying? I’m shocked!
Musk having a persecution complex and paranoid delusions of the world being out to get him for his inherited identity alone and not for his actions and role in politics and the economy? That’s just unpossible!
Read up on Orania. The South-African government doesn’t harass those Afrikaners trying to have their own little closed community.
And honestly, I think that approach is the best. If right wing people want to self-segregate in gate communities without harming anyone, then I think that’s the least bad option.
The problem is that they turn into echo chambers and hate incubators. They need to be integrated with the rest of society.
If right wing people want to self-segregate in gate communities without harming anyone, then I think that’s the least bad option.
We should take these groups from every major nation and ship them out to some island in the middle of the Pacific or some shit, and don’t allow commerce in or out. Let them deal with it themselves.
Or you know what, allow commerce so they can’t just blame that for their inevitable failure.
We should make sure the Pacific island we ship them to is tidal.
Sounds like the a few of the Marshall Islands might be a good fit. The US already displaced a bunch of the original inhabitants. Let’s not talk about why, and just ignore the rapid ticking sound coming from the box in the corner. Welcome home!
Never thought I’d see the day when a Zuid Afrikaans president is less racist.
Genocide, no, but the level of crime there is incredible.
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