• StopTouchingYourPhone@lemmy.world
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    Not to be a party pooper, but where tf are you folk hearing about this? I can’t get a fact check on this story anywhere. msn.com “reporting” what people are sharing on social media doesn’t count, as Yankee mass media cannot be trusted any more than Russian.

    This feels very disinfo to me - using the black female president of another country to accelerate the race war in the USA. Just because it’s something I like to hear, or something I agree with, doesn’t mean it’s legit.

    What I have found, from The Namibian today,

    President Netumbo Nandi-Ndaitwah has slammed circulating claims that Namibia is planning to deport 500 American citizens, calling the allegations false and urging the public to be vigilant of fake social media posts.

    A press release issued by the Presidency on Wednesday said it has noted with concern the circulation of social media posts and online articles alleging that Nandi-Ndaitwah ordered the deportation of the American nationals on the grounds of visa reciprocity.

    The statement pointed out that various social media accounts circulated this fabrication attributed to the president. “These posts feature fabricated quotes and images containing misinformation and disinformation intended to tarnish the image of the president, the Namibian government and to create potential diplomatic embarrassment,” it read.

    I hope everyone holds off sharing this “story” til a reliable site backs it up. There’s a reason it’s posted as a text image in a humour community, and not on worldnews or something.

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      This feels very disinfo to me - using the black female president of another country to accelerate the race war in the USA.

      Yeah - this seems designed to go on Facebook to bait “lol Namibia isn’t even a real country” and comments about her physical attractiveness.

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        Exactly. It’ll rile up the “eating dogs and cats” nazis, for sure. But just like here, it’ll get amplified as well by people who love the idea of Namibia kicking Yankees out of the country, or who are just excited to contribute commentary about Namibia’s awesome, stylin’ Pres.

        And anyone deliberately amplifying it can easily post a link to Namibia’s visa requirement changes, knowing hardly anyone’s going to click through, much less check the details. Sucks that she had to take time out of her workday to issue the denial. It’s so frigging frustrating. I’d like to post her press release everywhere as a heads-up, but I know the accelerationists want that as well (they don’t care about sides, just making the talking point louder).

        Not trying to preach to the choir or educate here; just venting.

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      What an odd coincidence. I recently got off a long phone call with my uncle, who works at Nintendo. He was discussing a secret “easter egg” in Super Metroid that if you do it you get to see Samus Aran topless at the end of the game. In an amazing coincidence, he mentioned this exact story and can vouch for the veracity of it.

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    I agree with President Netumbo Nandi-Ndaitwah on this point. If any country requires Namibians to have a visa, citizens of that country should be required to have a visa to go to Namibia. I also think birthright citizenship should only be granted to the citizens of countries that offer birthright citizenship to others. I live in Japan and even if both of your parents are in the country legally and you are born here, you won’t be able to get citizenship. One of your parents has to be a citizen of Japan or you will be an immigrant for life. I love Japan but if they don’t offer birthright citizenship, it shouldn’t be extended to them by other nations.

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      That’s stupid. If a state offers birthright citizenship is about naturalization of people living there, not what some other country does.

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        I agree about it being about the naturalization of people living there. I am just saying, do onto others as they do onto you. If an American can’t get birthright citizenship in Japan then Japanese citizens who give birth in America, shouldn’t receive citizenship for their child either. Give the child a Green Card just like Japan does for Americans who have children born in Japan. The same should apply to all countries. They should choose which foreign nationals get birthright citizenship based on reciprocal agreements.

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    Bonus points if you use a secrete police force to kidnap them off the streets, slap them in irons, and ship them back in a military aircraft without any of their belongings.

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    The theory of Trump’s tariff actually has rationale. He tries to force countries to submit to US’ economic demands and imperialism. The problem with this, though, is that Trump and co. assume we still live in 19th century, when you can still perform gunboat diplomacy and that the international community won’t retaliate.

    Trump is a really strange character. He probably doesn’t have actual control. The only persons benefitting from this are the tech bros and oligarchs. They stole as much as they could from government data to surveil people and train their AI. And Putin may either have kompromat or funding Trump, or both, for the US president to kowtow to Russia.Trump is the frontman and being propped as pazi should shit hit the fan on the administration.

    Edit: added info

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      The idea that the US was getting a bad deal is just fucking laughable though. The reality is we have had 70 years of neoliberalism forcing the entire world to do what we want because our economic and military might had our boot to their throat.

      Oh but we had a bad deal. -Trump

      No, NOW we have a bad deal. Fucking dipshit ruined a soft empire where we subjugated the entire god damn planet in order to… make the beneficiaries of that subjugation work harder? We had already won! All we had to do was maintain the petrodollar and fuck over China’s ability to form relations with the first world. But now we lost.

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        Like, I hate capitalism and I hate neoliberalism, but at the same time I’m like, if you’re going to change the world, well, fucking up the positives only to leave a pile of shit is not really much of a solution. These religious right wing hogs know nothing about how the world works. I still have to remind myself Trump is a symptom of a system that can no longer carry on. I mean, every Empire falls, soft to hard, don’t matter.

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          I’m in the same camp. Just because I can recognize the evils that I am a beneficiary of doesn’t mean I necessarily want them to continue. But there are better ways to dismantle an empire. At this point, I’m expecting civil war (Rwanda style) followed by a foreign invasion (likely China) while we’re in pieces.

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            I doubt anyone will invade the us. China, if it had any military movement, is much more likely to want to consolidate everything close to it. Japan, eastern russia, the philippines, korea. Canada doesn’t have the motivation to invade (it might allow areas to join if our military is dead enough to not fuss about it), and mexico doesn’t have the wherewithal to use their military against the cartels (they did let their military loose once and it was kicking some ass, but they stopped because of internal reasons), much less a foreign country. They might annex parts of the southern states, in the same manner as canada if the military is done for.

            India definitely doesn’t want to suddenly build the logistics to invade, no south american country wants the headache, and european areas will probably be looking to their east.

            Russia might be the only one with the motivation and quasi-ability to do it. They wouldn’t get much more than they are currently out of ukraine, but it’s possible putin would make a play for alaskan territory. I think it’s unlikely, considering china would really take advantage of that extended and vulnerable supply chain.

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        Makes more sense when you see it through the lens of self enrichment, not about getting anything more for America.

        I’m sure down the road it will come out that he hinted to trade delegations to make an investment in $Trump coin help negotiations along. Whilst of course also making timely personal investment decisions in the American markets fluctuate.

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      It’s just so stupid too, America had won world trade, in so much as there is an actual winning. No one is actually winning from this, oligarchs are changing their power from near absolute control over the globe, to absolute control over a sinking empire. Like good job guys…

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        Trump and his team over-corrected (can that word even be applied considering the results?) with trying to re-shore jobs to America to appease his base. But even his base are now also pissed off!

        Edit: I should also add, that Trump fascism with Project 2025 are trying to export their ideological brand to other places. They especially have an axe to grind with the EU’s "over-regulation’, which is why Trump and his administration are basically telling France to be more racist, and telling the EU to accept US’ chlorinated chickens, or stop trading with the US’ entirely.

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          That’s the thing, even if that was their goal there was a path through existing structures for that. The CHIPS act was designed to onshore technological manufacturing, CHIPS sucks as it’s more trickle down bullshit, but it accomplishes the goal within the American hegemonic project. They had the plan to continue to transfer wealth to the rich under existing structures and still onshore manufacturing.

          I’m honestly not even sure trump is a Russian plant anymore, their decisions are just so stupid. America relinquishes it’s role of world police and Europe is forced to create a unified military to counter Russia, how does that help them in anyway?

          There is no plan, no one ultimately benefits, it’s just short sighted idiocy…

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            Maybe insider trading is what Trump is trying to do. But even then, this is the most incompetent fascism I have seen thus far. Hitler and Mussolini were not even this stupid and ruderless.

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      I don’t believe there is any rationale behind it beyond harm to the USA.

      This is just Krasnov doing as he’s told by his boss, the goal is damage. You’d have to overlook the absolute myriad of Russian ties, convictions, scandals and verified facts to see any other plan at play - yet the US news continually gives him the benefit of the doubt and thus the populace is left looking for alternative motives.

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        Not trying to disagree with you, but many things can be true at the same time. The theory of Trump’s tariff is still conforming to his close ally’s, Steve Bannon, view of “economic nationalism”. But at the same time, Trump may well be getting signals from Putin. After all, Putin still indulges the right.

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          Fair, and if tarrifs were his primary ‘unusual’ policy decision that might be the most reasonable assumption with respect to Occam’s razor, but when you add in the hundreds of other deeply damaging actions he’s taken against US institutions, core government branches, and functions it really tips the conclusion toward intentional sabotage.

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    As much as this comes amid a flurry of “screw the US” sentiment (and fair play for that), this move also included thirty other countries and has been a long-standing political issue in Namibia. It also was announced months ago and went into effect two weeks ago, and we’re only hearing about it now for some reason.

    This bold decision, spearheaded by President Netumbo Nandi-Ndaitwah is framed as a move towards establishing reciprocity in international relations, asserting that if African citizens require visas to enter the United States, then American citizens should also be subject to the same requirements when entering Namibia. The President emphasized that this policy change is not an act of aggression but a matter of fairness and national dignity.

    Smart move, especially with the recent mineral finds in the country. Hope they don’t get obliterated for having the sheer audacity to not bow to imperialism.

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      I did a quick lookup of the quote you posted. Except for facebook and insta reposts, I found nothing. otoh, from yesterday’s news:

      President Netumbo Nandi-Ndaitwah has slammed circulating claims that Namibia is planning to deport 500 American citizens, calling the allegations false and urging the public to be vigilant of fake social media posts.

      A press release issued by the Presidency on Wednesday said it has noted with concern the circulation of social media posts and online articles alleging that Nandi-Ndaitwah ordered the deportation of the American nationals on the grounds of visa reciprocity.

      The statement pointed out that various social media accounts circulated this fabrication attributed to the president. “These posts feature fabricated quotes and images containing misinformation and disinformation intended to tarnish the image of the president, the Namibian government and to create potential diplomatic embarrassment,” it read.

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          np!

          btw, didn’t mean to imply you were a bad actor (apologies if it came across that way). I replied because you were the only person here to post anything that looked like a source. No harm to you intended.

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            Oh you’re fine, given the severity of the disinfo around this one (people here in the US are already calling for retaliation over the supposed deportations, rather predictably) I just wanted to clarify which part was true, and then I did that with the most pre-coffee phrasing possible.

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      The best way to fight America is to welcome its refugees. Let the brain drain commence. Move remote workers to other countries where they’ll buy local goods and services, taking money out of the US economy. Stand up for trans people and welcome them.

      Trapping Trump’s victims in there with him is what he wants!

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        They are not banning Americans from coming, only requiring them to get visas. This will make it so you have to apply ahead of time and the government will decide if you can enter, just like when people want to travel from Africa to US.

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        It’s not only what Trump wants, it’s what the capitalist really want. Because recently, we’ve been getting mouthy and asking for more. So, stopping all of our freedom of a movement and scaring us with prison colonies is exactly what they want seen done. And I’m talking about the one percent.

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      Us evangelicals have been try to f’ed with african politics for a while, basically to get things like anti-abortion, anti-lgbtq+,etc into thier legislation, and has written some of thier laws too.

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        Yeah, sorry about that. If it helps, they’re kinda in charge of the US government right now so most of those groups have lost their funding through their own spectacular incompetence! So at least there’s hope! But not very much!

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    Does this really belong here? It may be funny to some, but it’s not intended to be.

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        Maybe not. Often when a post appears on the main home feed, people will upvote or downvote based on that post in isolation rather than in the context of its sub-community - because the all the posts are from different sub-communities, and it isn’t obvious which is from where.

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        I didn’t notice the comm until it was point out. I don’t mind it too much but if it is too lax, people who curate their feed a lot will be seeing more spam.

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        That was a common attitude on Reddit. Mods are needed to determine if things fit a community and abide by the rules. Readers may not even know what community they are in and will upvote things they enjoy. They generally don’t upvote based on fit to community.

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    I get the sentiment, but worry that this is punishing people that don’t have anything to do with the atrocities being committed by the US regime. Some of those 500 US citizens may be seeking asylum, like some of the rest of us are considering.

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    Namibia and Botswana are decent places to be in, off the radar and politically safe and liberal