cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/31683994

Fox News reports that Donald Trump may consider using nuclear weapons to eliminate Iran’s Fordo nuclear facility

The U.S. military has reservations regarding the success of using a bunker-buster bomb, a non nuclear weapon, to eliminate Iran’s Fordo nuclear facility, buried deep in a mountain. Two defense officials were reportedly briefed that only a tactical nuclear weapon could reach the facility.

  • bitjunkie@lemmy.world
    33·
    7 days ago

    “We want to stop nuclear proliferation by starting a nuclear war.” - these fucking geniuses, apparently

  • SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world
    18·
    7 days ago

    So we’ll have a war of aggression with Iran for? We don’t like them? Israel has committed more violations of national borders and laws. The KoSA and Egypt’s citizens were involved in 9-11 and they are “allies”.

  • NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world
    131·
    6 days ago

    At this point I’m alright with a nuclear apocalypse, we had it coming. I just hope I’m close enough to a blast sight to not have to deal with the aftermath.

  • SpongeBorgCubePants@lemmy.world
    9·
    6 days ago

    The fact that experts concluded that a tactical nuke would do the job doesn’t imply that they are considering using it. I don’t like the US administration, but this is wildly overblowing statements and pure fearmongering.

  • catty@lemmy.world
    111·
    6 days ago

    “Considers”. Fake news. They want the price of oil and gas to go up to please Putin.

  • RabbitBBQ@lemmy.world
    26·
    7 days ago

    The fact is that conventional bombs can’t eliminate all the underground and mountainous facilities. This requires either a large ground invasion and occupation, at a very high cost, or nuclear weapons.

    A ground invasion can’t happen for a number of reasons and Israel and the U.S. can’t allow Iran to continue having a nuclear program means that they will see no other choice but to use tactical nukes.

  • tehn00bi@lemmy.world
    216·
    7 days ago

    I mean, it makes the most sense to hit that facility with a bunker busting tactical nuke. Probably the only way to significantly ensure enough damage to end production at the facility.

    • Phoenixz@lemmy.ca
      24·
      7 days ago

      No

      You drop nukes and you cross the line. There is a goddamnrd good reason why nobody uses nukes and trump gets in and now all of the sudden everyone and their mother goes “weeeeeeelll, a tactical nuke, might make sense?”

      Fuck. That. Shit.

      You do NOT blow up nukes, ever.

      • the_wiz@feddit.org
        3·
        7 days ago

        I ask you a simple question: Name the only nation that has already used a nuclear weapon in a war… twice.

        • Phoenixz@lemmy.ca
          1·
          6 days ago

          The USA, of course. Did I win anything?

          Anyways, now I’ll ask you a simple question

          What does that matter? That was some 80 years ago and no nukes have been blown up in a hostile avt ever since for very good reasons.

          The few times someone even thought a nuke was flying we got to one step distance from WWIII. Wasn’t it a Finish weather rocket launch that damn near caused Russia to end the world? And the time that some training data somehow got mixed up and they thought an invasion was imminent? It’s half a miracle we’re still here and alive.

          You set off a nuke in a hostile act and so many things happen. For one, you cheapened its use and I fucking guarantee you that after the first, the second one will follow shortly. Don’t worry about the fall out, these tactical nukes (I HATE that they had to give those a cool sounding name, especially with people like trump who salivate just over the name) are needed right?

          I mean, Iran almost has nukes right? Netanyahu said so, right? Oh wait, that was 10 years ago. And 8 years ago… And 5 years ago… and…

          You know, maybe Iran has nukes, maybe it doesn’t. At this point it doesn’t really matter anymore as we have religious doomsday wishers in the whitehouse led by a child who would love nothing better than to be the first president ever in the modern world to launch nukes. Iran is barely a threat on that chart, as evil as it’s regime is.

          Either way, that the US dropped nukes 80 years ago is not relevant here

      • tehn00bi@lemmy.world
        119·
        7 days ago

        So you want / have to hit a facility designed to survive most attacks, even potential nuclear attacks and you chose to not use the weapons best suited?

        • Serinus@lemmy.world
          17·
          7 days ago

          Yes, correct. Absolutely. Because there are ramifications way fucking beyond that one instance.

          Similarly, if my neighbor’s dog sometimes pisses on the petunias, a gun would absolutely solve the problem, yet despite being extremely effective it may not be the best solution.

        • SuperCub@sh.itjust.works
          4·
          6 days ago

          You’re a fucking clown for suggesting nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapons are evil, go watch some history videos of what happened to people who were hit by one. And not only that, the destruction is long-term. Using a nuclear weapon to penetrate the Earth will definitely leave the region poisoned for multiple lifetimes.

        • Phoenixz@lemmy.ca
          1·
          6 days ago

          I hate how the Internet has made all these arm chair idiots think that they are experts now on military strategy and weapons.

          But to answer your question:

          No, you do not use nukes. If you really need to get in, drop your bunker buster bombs five times more, you have the airspace as you claimed. Hell, drop twenty of em, still cheaper than a nuke but more importantly YOU WONT BE DROPPING NUKES

          What part of “nukes are different, nukes are the end” do you not understand?

          Once the first nuke drops, you can rest assured that the second will follow soon for -of which I’m sure will be explained as really really- good reasons and then the third will follow closely after because now we found another good reason…

          Nukes aren’t just extremely powerful, they’re also extremely devastating to the world and humanity for a long, long time.

          Once nukes start, humanity is done.

          You. Do. Not. Use. Nukes.

    • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
      4·
      7 days ago

      You want them to retaliate with dirty bombs? Get into another terrorist pissing match?

  • Fredselfish@lemmy.world
    1617·
    8 days ago

    Trump will drop a nuke before leaving office. He been begging to use one since his first term. They literally had to stop him from nucking a hurricane. He wants to do it. My worry is he will drop one on an American state.

  • fluxion@lemmy.worldEnglish
    602·
    8 days ago

    Same guy that kept ripping on Zelensky for “instigating” nuclear war

  • Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world
    52·
    8 days ago

    If this were to happen, it would be a green light for Putin.

    Let’s hope to all fuck that our idiotic congress or who the fuck ever, prevents this abject, fucking, idiocy.

    • floofloof@lemmy.ca
      41·
      8 days ago

      Congress isn’t stopping him doing anything. I don’t see them suddenly changing just to prevent global nuclear war.

    • opavader@lemmy.world
      81·
      8 days ago

      excluding few hard left or right leaders, our entire congress works for aipac so fat chance of that. they will approve nuking LA and SF if israel told them to.

    • charade_you_are@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      5·
      7 days ago

      I thought I could write solid, dark comments but your comment about having our only hopes based solely on congress wins all the awards for darkest comment ever written.

  • Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works
    45·
    8 days ago

    Something tells me he has already given the order multiple times but the people around him have to carefully explain to him why that’s a very bad idea until he backs down.