The Trump Administration Accidentally Texted Me Its War Plans U.S. national-security leaders included me in a group chat about upcoming military strikes in Yemen. I didn’t think it could be real. Then the bombs started falling.
By Jeffrey Goldberg
It’s like an entire administration full of Rudy Giulianis. He had a history of butt-dialing and accidentally leaving unfortunate (for him) voice mails on reporter’s phones.
Even my work has better OPSEC on a random stupid meeting with nothing interesting. They review every attendee to make sure no one unexpected is in the chat.
You actually can’t make this shit up. WTF!
I wonder if there’s a Simpson’s episode on this or even an Onion article.
It geniuely concerns me that this type of stuff doesn’t warrant a meeting or encrypted messaging.
Well, see, the thing is that it 100% absolutely positively no-questions-about-it does warrant a meeting and government approved, Internet-disconnected communications methods.
The fact that Trump’s entire fucking cabinet apparently disagrees is what concerns me.
Encryption doesn’t uninvite randos
Come on bud this ain’t reddit, if you’re gonna weigh in read the article lol
The messaging was encrypted, they where using Signal. The dumb fuck just “accidentally” added the reporter to the group chat 😆
I wonder if it was deliberate. Trump will surround himself with people like him, so they must constantly be knifing each other in the back
Locks are just as effective as the people wielding the keys.
That’s so true. And to be clear I wasn’t trying to suggest that they should have been doing that. Like the messaging and the bombing. Both bad
Saying singal is secure is actually a wild take. JS felt like this was a in person type of job.
Why do you say it isn’t secure? I’m not saying it should be used for what they where doing. I was just saying, it is encrypted
It was hacked in 2022 and 1900 accounts and their messages were leaked.
If your serious about security you need to use anon messages.
Signal ok for local drug dealers but for international war games I’d like something better then a app on the app store.
Yeah that’s fair lol or like maybe plan your bombings in person 😅
The Trump administration is so close to making the greatest post of all time on the War Thunder forums
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elect fucking russian idiots , be surprised about the results
Good thing they fired everyone who worked in secure communications.
[This article reads like satire]
These are golden, absolutely brilliant
The one with Big Bird is backwards. I feel like the reporter was the only adult in the room.
Much like Big Bird is aloof but more mature than anyone around him pretty often.
Didn’t they try to charge Hilary Clinton for using an insecure private server?
This would matter if Republicans and their voters gave a shit about being hypocrites. That is not a new thing. Newt Gingrich went after Clinton for having an affair while he himself was having one for instance.
Newt Gingrich went after Clinton for having an affair…
I don’t want to disagree with your main point, I just want to say that this is a misstatement of what happened with Clinton. He was being sued for sexual harassment by Paula Jones in civil court. He was impeached for lying under oath and obstruction during that investigation.
The hinky part of it is that Kenneth Starr was originally supposed to be investigating whether the Clintons had participated in fraudulent real estate dealings. When that investigation turned up nothing, he was directed to look into Clinton’s testimony about his relationship with Lewinsky, which had nothing to do with the original investigation. It was a massive fishing expedition. At one point they had the FBI working with Lewinsky’s friend to secretly record her talking about the relationship.
At one point they had the FBI working with Lewinsky’s friend to secretly record her talking about the relationship.
Depending on how much you believe David Brock - they were going to keep going until they found something. They were also happy to make up a lot of shit too - the stuff about state troopers bringing in women for Bill to sleep with, Vince Foster and the other “murders.” The entire investigation was not about justice.
Which of course doesn’t make Bill Clinton not a lecherous shitbag and sex pest. The way the world treated and treats Lewinsky is fucked up. He probably did harass Jones, if not all of the other weird mentally ill women Alex Jones types like to trot out.
Agreed on all counts.
Gingrich was worse. His wife at the time had cancer and he served her divorce papers while in the hospital and then left her and their child pennyless.
It feels weird to say who was worse. Gingrich was worse to his wife for certain. Absolute monster of a husband and father. Clinton engaged in workplace sexual harassment as the president of the united states, and for some reason it took like 20 years for people to realize that lewinsky was his primary victim after spending years and years shaming her more than him.
Tbh I’d rather be sexually harassed in the workplace than get to the end of my life and realize that the person I had children with and wanted to grow old with didn’t give a flying fuck about me as a human being.
Not that either is good, but most of us understand that our bosses view as as resources. And if you’re raised female, you’re definitely aware of that dynamic.
I think I include the whole of the media circus in with lewinsky’s treatment. And I also think I might have higher expectations of employers than of husbands with dying wives.
Christian love
Instead of mocking things as Christian that clearly aren’t (which includes pretty much everything I know about religion in the USA) we should remind those people what their values, their religion stand for. That’s far more likely to get them to change for the better.
I get what yours saying, but being hateful is what evangelical Christianity gas evolved to become. These are their values
Genuinely. I had a discussion with somebody at work which boiled down to “Yeah but Trump stored the top secret documents in an unused bathroom while Hillary had emails in a private server which ended up being poorly secured so Hillary is actually the much worse security violation.”
Both sides are hypocrites. Remember Nancy Pelosi getting a haircut during Covid when regular people couldn’t? Or Gavin Newsom attending a birthday party during his own lockdown?
Let’s not both sides this shit. Yes, there are some corporate Democrats that are indeed hypocrites (I despise both Pelosi and Newsom) but Democrats have a mole hill while Republicans have a Denali sized problem with it.
The Biden administration has been happy aiding and abetting a genocide which caused hundreds of thousands of casualties, most of them innocent women and kids.
Didn’t they tank her presidential bid on this? How she was unprofessional and unfit for office for this? And his Perfect Ukraine Call, his hacked emails, his every other lapse of OPSEC or security clearance issues… weren’t disqualifying? Or was it just what she had in her pants, same with Kamala.
Yeah I don’t think it’s a fair comparison. A private email server vs dming randos by accident.
There should be as much outrage over this as they did with Clinton but 1) the Republicans are hypocrites, 2) the Democrats are weak.
It’s okay, they weren’t emails…
Next week: the trump administration accidentally texted its war plans on my Minecraft server.
Fascists are surprisingly bad at war.
Fascism is literally all about doing what’s best for the IN Crowd, in other words Cronyism, the very opposite of Merit.
If your selection criteria for people supposed to manage anything is who is mates with whom, what’s their skin color, what’s their gender and what’s their sexual orientation, rather than, you know, managerial qualities, it’s only natural that they suck at managing things.
They’re bad at lots of things. Stupidity is a highly transferable skill.
#1 thing they are bad at: running a government. Kinda hard to when you don’t actually believe in it. 🤷♀️
Just a reminder that they chose to use Signal for a reason, and those are also reasons we normal citizens should use Signal too! At least try and talk your closest relatives into dumping WhatsApp for it.
Yeah, this article was truly a fascinating read! The one thing that surprised me from Goldberg though, was that he continually questioned their use of signal. I mean, why wouldn’t they use it?
They could try to develop their own secure messaging app, but what would be the point of that when another already exists and they can verify the code is air tight because it’s open source. And, developing their own app would mean the possibility of relying on software that could contain unknown bugs or vulnerabilities.
The only safe cryptographic systems are open source ones.
Your logic is valid for a small business - yes a SME doesn’t need to create their own messaging app, but this is the US government, they have the resources and need for their own. Further, commercial products controlled by outsiders can be compromised, and for state level targets it’s an issue to not control the communication through its whole journey.
“Rolling your own” cryptographic system is rarely a good idea. There are countless examples of companies and governments deciding to ignore existing tested and verified standard industry tools on the basis they’re more vulnerable because they’re more well known, but that decision tends to bite them in the end because the solution they come up with has some critical vulnerabilities they didn’t notice in time. These things are easy to miss when there isn’t a whole global community of security professionals looking at the code.
Now I’ll admit that the US government could absolutely create a comparable or even superior solution if they put the right people and enough funding behind the project, no doubt. There is the question of whether or not it’s worth doing, worth the investment. If budgets are tight (because conservatives are so concerned about govt spending 🙄), I’d certainly rather they use signal than they decide to dedicate almost enough funding and develop something that almost works; that could also be disastrous.
Honestly, the best move for the government is probably to make their own app utilizing existing standards. The signal protocol is perfectly open and free, they just need their own clients. Well, that and some identity verification in the account creation process. But yeah, If they had their own app, they could design it to do some useful things, like verify all members in a group have appropriate security clearance. That might have come in handy…
So yeah, I don’t really disagree with you, they should probably be using their own system. But I think it’s easy to think that any bespoke system would inherently be superior, and that very much isn’t the case. And with that in mind I’d say it’s truly not a crazy or negligent choice to use the existing best-of-class systems off the shelf. It’s maybe not the best choice, but it’s not a bad one.
Because they did so to avoid official channels which get log and recorded. And yes, the Pentagon has their own apps, what do you think? Yes, using signal is INSANE
Yes, they have some secure communications systems, but none that are safe to use on a mobile device. Signal is literally more advanced than what they’re using. It’s far from insane.
Signal is not safe for them to use. The pentagon issued a warning last year that Signal was not safe for non-public communications. Google also put out a threat alert about it more than a month ago.
One of the means used by Russia is crafting special QR codes, that take advantage of the Connected Devices feature, and sending them to users. If the user is tricked into scanning the code, then the hacker’s device will then be copied in on all of that user’s Signal messages. I wouldn’t trust any one of these people to be smart enough to recognize a phishing attempt like that. I would be surprised if one or more foreign powers weren’t also copied in on all these messages too.
It is beyond stupid for these people to be using an app like this for confidential or secret communications.
It is absolutely insane, considering they have SCIF devices / rooms but also the option of “not using off the shelf” shit like Signal and using a phone number. But here they are.
Hell, they could even use something like Briar / Matrix / whatever that is decentralised/does not require a phone number unlike Signal but instead they sent emotes, and classified information detrimental to US citizens over a centralised (third party) platform. Literally, insane.
Are we missing an /s here? Signal is headquartered in the US, and here’s me pondering if they were actually using Telegram instead. Which would’ve been pretty apt.
I think at this point I’d be better off trying to use WeChat…
edit: https://cloud.google.com/blog/topics/threat-intelligence/russia-targeting-signal-messenger - archive
For a bit of clarity some are not seeing. Google, sanctioned too. Crazy times.
The headquarters are irrelevant. Signal is open source. Its academically dishonest to say they are insecure without pointing to why in the source.
Russia has been sending out specially crafted QR code in phishing attempts. The codes use the Linked Devices feature of Signal. If they can get one of these idiots to scan the code, the hacker’s device will be copied in on all the user’s messages. Now, given how stupid the people in this administration are, how hard do you think it will be, or more likely, how hard it was to to get them to scan such a code?
Okay, but what does that have to do with Signal being headquartered in the US?
Eh, I think that in the context handling classified information, it’s fair to say Signal is “insecure”, purely because anyone with a phone number can have an account, and can be accidentally added to sensitive conversations.
You know, like the exact thing that happened in this article.
Not that that’s Signal’s fault. But the fact that it’s even possible makes Singnal unusable for handling classified information.
Fair, but that is not what the comment I am replying to is saying. They are saying Signal is compromised for being based in the US.
The headquarters are irrelevant.
Is it?
Is that why people trying to protect their privacy use VPN’s/DNS resolvers outside of the US jurisdiction such as Mullvad/Quad9 etc?
And as stated by someone else if you’re using a personal device with a phone number to share classified information outside of a SCIF, you’ve got to ask yourself if there’s a modicum of “sensibility” in the administration here.
If the data you transmit is properly encrypted it does not matter where it passed and where it is.
you’ve got to ask yourself if there’s a modicum of “sensibility” in the administration here.
That is independent of what I am saying about Signal
It does when you’re sharing nationally classified information with what is a third party, not sanctioned by the administration itself?
