That’s just wild. The one silver lining to T2 is that I’m not shocked by anything anymore. It’s still outrageous, but the surprise is gone.
The US government really is just being vandalised.
It is insane how many comments here believe that humans somehow made COVID-19 in a lab and leaked it. It is obvious and clear that the critical sequences responsible for the jump to humans exist in wild type form in nature. In fact, the critical spike protein sequence is so similar between coronavirus that the antigen work which the vaccine was based upon was done BEFORE COVID-19 in Jason McClellan’s lab at Dartmouth.
This WILL happen again, and conspiracy theories that have now shut down labs and funding are likely to cause millions of lost lives next time. We got lucky and the tinfoil hats are going to guarantee we’ll be unlucky next time.
Yeah, I used to believe that too. Until I read how irresponsible these scientists were. Before the outbreak, they were planning to release an enhanced version into bat caves filled with bats to observe how the coronavirus mutated. They were infecting bats in the lab with coronavirus. Nobody said they created this from scratch, but they could have definitely helped evolution along. Even the CIA suspects it could have been a lab leak. I think the problem is that thinking it is “man-made” is hard for many, but it’s not difficult to believe that the evolution of the virus was influenced by humans.
it’s not difficult to believe that the evolution of the virus was influenced by humans.
Only for the ignorant. This is how research has worked for decades. Even the CIA (who are not scientists) have “low confidence”. Since when does “low confidence” mean it happened or you believe it??
All sequence data, wild type virus, and previous research history clearly show this virus existed in nature and because it is a highly mutable RNA virus, was able to infect humans. No credible scientist says otherwise. Let’s be clear - if they were studying the virus in a lab and it “got out” from the lab or from the wild what difference does it make? This is NOT a man made virus and to make the leap to that is just plain ignorance.
So the ignorant human response is to shut down all research on viruses because of the fear of it being “man made”. The result? When this happens again in 3 or 100 years (which it will), we will have no R&D to lean on LIKE WE DID FOR THE COVID19 VACCINE. We’ve ALREADY discovered a number of viruses in the wild that are likely to mutate and cause another pandemic. We should be celebrating research because the previous decade of work on antigen presentation of the spike protein gave us a vaccine in 11 months that we would otherwise likely not have EVEN TODAY.
I guess this is why ancient civilizations had human sacrifice when there was an eclipse. The stupid scared ignorant people determined public policy.
Let’s be clear - if they were studying the virus in a lab and it “got out” from the lab or from the wild what difference does it make?
Firmer policies & enforcement of safety protocols? Informed selection of safety protocols?
So… Chinese Americans (and anyone vaguely Asian looking) the next to be sent to concentration camps?
Sinophobia was already rampant and bipartisan.
Deliberately fueled by the government.
Like the embarrassing ‘spy’ balloon farce as an example.Not going to make excuses for the democrats, I am saying our nazi government needs more scapegoats, and they’re back to spreading lies about them. It’s the first step like calling all immigrants ms13.
also true
Look, I can’t stand Trump, but he’s at least partially right on this one. It’s fucking obvious to anyone who has done even minimal research on it. Gain of function research for coronaviruses was being done at UNC Chapel Hill until it was shut down in 2014 and moved offshore: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2014/11/07/361219361/how-a-tilt-toward-safety-stopped-a-scientists-virus-research
NIH and USAID then began funding the same research through the Wuhan Institute of Virology via EcoHealth Alliance since they had to move the research offshore: https://www.usaspending.gov/award/ASST_NON_R01AI110964_7529 https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/10/nih-admits-funding-risky-virus-research-in-wuhan
Fauci was the head of NIH and authorized the research originally. Both the US and China have invested interest in making the allegations of a lab leak go away due to liability. It becomes obvious why Fauci wanted to squash any rumors of a lab leak since he was indirectly partially responsible for the research. It’s not a coincidence that Biden backpardoned Fauci specifically to 2014, when the gain of function research was moved overseas: https://www.justice.gov/pardon/media/1385746/dl?inline
That said, Event 201 really is where shit gets really uncomfortable: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9-oVXQX88esnrdhaiuRdXGG7XOVYB9Xm
Look at the timestamp of when that video was posted, who it was posted by and who all were involved. For bonus points, watch the entire thing and not just the highlights. The social media censorship aspects are a bigger part of the discussion than the highlights would suggest.
Whether or not I think Fauci deserves to be held criminally liable for helping fund the research that likely led to the outbreak, I definitely think he should have been found liable (if not for pardons) for his attempts to bury any attempts to look into a lab leak rather than natural origin, and ostracize and ridicule people who tried to look into the possibility of a lab leak. For those who forgot, fucking Jon Stewart was one of them: https://www.yahoo.com/news/dare-jon-stewart-reflects-lab-202138738.html
OMG, tinfoil hat too tight??
First of all, “gain of function” viral and bacterial research has been a critical part of research for DECADES. There is absolutely no connection nor sequence relationship between ANY of gain of function research done in Wuhan and COVID-19. ALL the fears are hypothetical. Meanwhile, this type of research is the basis for all kinds of medical and research advances for the last 30 years (gene replacement, stem cells, siRNA, on and on).
Second, you don’t have a clue how NIH funding works. Grants are submitted to COMMITTEES at the NIH. Fauci was NEVER head of NIH, but even if he was he would have no awareness of nor control over these grants and funding. It’s not a dictatorship and one person absolutely cannot determine if a grant gets funded. It’s an incredibly arduous process that takes years and many many scientists reviewing and debating the facts and merits of the proposal, including safety protocols. Think peer review times 100. So to claim that Fauci should be held “criminally liable” is laughably ignorant.
NONE of the sequence altering research in the Wuhan lab had any relationship from a sequence perspective to COVID19. Every credible scientist acknowledges that. Is it possible that the wild type virus was being studied in the lab and somehow got out of the lab vs in the wild? Yes, it’s possible. Does it matter? No, it does not. It was going to happen and IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN. Meanwhile, people like you make ignorant fear claims that are getting research labs shut down. The same labs, like Jason McClellan’s lab at Dartmouth that did 10 years of research altering the mRNA sequence of the spike protein so that it would be accurately presented as an antigen that gave us the vaccine in 11 months. Without this “gene altering” research that could be interpreted as “scary”, we probably still wouldn’t have a vaccine.
Federal government reported the possibility without Trump in office:
- FBI reported it was likely
- Department of Energy joined them in saying it was possible.
Sources
It’s not a wild conspiracy theory. Virological gain of function research & lax safety protocols with unsurprising results that aren’t necessarily malicious.
If it did come from a lab it would be Fort Detrick.
The place where the anthrax came from used in the 9/11 letters.Can someone help me understand what’s going on here?
Are they trying to throw shade on China because… they think it will help win the trade war?
Why would he want his photo in the middle of that text? He’s associating himself with negativity, I feel like this is marketing/propaganda 101. It honestly looks like a movie poster where he’s the one leaking it.
Yeah, I agree with that, seems to me the most recent plot twists in The Story of America certainly makes people to feel Free… after they are no longer in America. I’m not American, I feel pretty Free, and I do hope Americans one day feel Free again.
I saw a billboard outside of my city yesterday saying something like “did your loved ones really die of COVID-19?” and had some “covid is a hoax” website named on it. What a fucking dark timeline we’re in.
The “ANDREW CUOMO: FAILURE” at the bottom of the government site is some random shade, but I enjoy that at least. Fuck Andrew Cuomo
Yeah, fuck Cuomo, but a lot of the reasons for New York’s poor performance at the start of COVID were structural issues that were out of his control.
Agreed. He’s such a piece of shit. I mean, fuck Trump, but also, fuck Cuomo.
But I thought conservatives said COVID was all made up and a plot by the democrats to control the populace through mask-wearing?
We have always been at war with Eurasia
Note that mask-wearing only makes it so you can’t breathe if Democrats want you to do it for public health reasons. Mask-wearing is hunky dory if you’re doing it because you’re a Nazi who doesn’t want to be personally identified.
Oh sure this is like them claiming that nanograms of mercury in vaccines cause autism but they argue that companies dumping mercury into their local atmosphere, soil, and water are overburdened by liberal government regulations and shouldn’t be regulated.
Then in order to “cure” said autism, they pump their children with any manner of completely worthless and dangerous interventions from the same pharma companies they claim to hate.
Yeah I just listened to the newest Behind the Bastards about this and Robert Evans describes numerous examples of parents treating their kids like lab rats and pumping them full of expiramental drugs until they died. It’s awful shit all around.
That was last week
That website is batshit. It looks like a tabloid website. It’s not just promoting the lab leak theory. It also calls out Fauci, Andrew Cuomo, and Biden. It is basically a political hit piece. Fucking embarrassing.
It would basically be like Biden changing a site about Russia to include info about Trump’s pee tape.
That website is batshit
So it is on point?
… Is this the new age dark ages?
I moderate the bad religion community (they have a song called The New Dark Ages). Its pretty bitchin. it was written during the W Bush presidency but their material get progressively more relevant as time goes on
Such a good song. I have not thought about or listened to that song or album in at least a decade. Thanks for the reference to rekindle my fond memories. Time to go listen to some Bad Religion… :-)
They released a record called Age of Unreason during the first trump term. Its some of the strongest material of their career imo.
New Maps of Hell was pretty killer though
For the US maybe, but right now it seems like the wider world may survive.
Yup.
We’re Doomed then
I feel like I’m screaming, “help” at the top of a mountain, yet nobody can hear me. I feel like almost all online interactions are false. I feel like my day to day life is shrinking from country scale to community to household scale. This is where we are divided and we don’t care for another, but only ourselves. Not out of greed, but out of perceived necessity. It’s all fake.
I’m with you. Corporations have figured out how to fully monetize the internet and information in general. Knowledge and education have been paywalled. What does filter through is manipulation and brainwashing in some form.
I completely understand sometimes it feels like everyone has their head buried in the sand or worse is lapping up the misinformation without a second thought, living in a post truth society is truly hell for the analytical.
Lab leak: picture of Trump. Hm, I always suspected that’s how he came into this world. Good thing they’re officially confirming it.
